Obama administration confirms double-digit premium hikes

As long as I have had insurance, I have never had less than a double digit premium hike every year

 

Oh you have a 2500 a year savings, you just didn't realize it or listen to Obama carefully enough. You have to save $2500 a year in order to pay for your increased healthcare costs. He never said you wouldn't need to spend that savings on his healthcare plan. So you did have a savings, it was just deducted right out of you paycheck and applied directly to your new healthcare plan.

 

Didn't affect me in the slightest; I got to keep my doctors; my costs didn't' go up; you obviously didn't do something right.

- - - Updated - - -

You mis-read the post; try re-reading it again.

 

I got to keep my doctors; I didn't pay any increases; I got to keep my same plans. Guess I did something right and you did something wrong.

- - - Updated - - -

Move to Mexico, you'll get your wish.

 

It says we are running a country not a BBQ tasting contest. A country needs to be run with intelligence and plans that will actually have a chance of working to help the people; not based upon someones opinion or what makes them feel good. Is he a little crude in his statement....maybe, but in the end he's right. Things, whether it's the country or a household can't run on feelings, it needs to be run with intelligence. Feelings and conscience can drive you to want to do something, but intelligence is required to make it happen in a constructive way that benefits all and is sustainable.

 

But that price tag needn't have been as high, and the system needn't have been as inefficient. Only a quarter of the country was helped by the plan. The President would like to focus on that quarter. I'd like to focus on the 3/4ths of us who either didn't improve or got worse as a result.

 

And of course, there were Pelosi's infamous words 'we must pass this bill to find out what's in it'...which a doctor later came forward and said that's the definition of a stool sample......

Forgot about Gruber...you're right. He did brag about his lying to us.....

 

I don't see how it got worse; before ACA not everyone had access to medical care; now they do. There is a cost attached to having benefits; most workers have insurance supplied by their employers; that leaves those who couldn't afford healthcare, those who could afford healthcare but had pre-existing conditions & denied benefits and those who are independent workers (mom & pops).

Now those who cannot afford the healthcare get assistance from the gov't; those who were denied benefits can no longer be denied coverage and who are independent workers (mom's & Pop's) can buy their insurance and write off the costs involved on their income taxes. How tough can it be?

 

Let me list the 3 main problems(There's actually 4, a problem we didn't expect, but three for simplification)

1: For those who are below the poverty line, etc. They can only get supplements while being below the poverty line(It's the same problem with a lot of our social programs).
This is a disincentive against increased income and thus acts to depress our economy.
2: We were promised lower rates. It didn't happen, instead male plans cover tampons, etc. With these one-sized fits all plans, the costs for the plans are much higher than they have to be.
3: While we're at it, the increased usage that would naturally come from ensuring these people would of course lead to a medical shortage which will increase costs.
4: Here's #4 now. We thought it would just be limited to a monopoly for insurance companies(which is bad in of itself). But because the famed mythical 'healthy young' didn't sign up, it turns out the insurance companies themselves cannot afford the expensive plans on the market and thus are now operating a loss in their own system! Crafted for them!

It's been an unmitigated disaster, even in the areas it was supposed to do well in. It couldn't control costs, it couldn't lower costs. And as far as covering more people, they got a mere 5-6% of those who were previously uninsured. What a cataclysmic failure that could only come from politicians.

Way back when I was a HS Senior(when this atrocity was first debated), I said it could only be incorporated with a public option. My plans have since evolved on fixing health care in this country. But very basically Single-Payer is a failure. All Medicaid on Steroids is going to do, is a massive tax hike. But we cannot afford health hikes, along with our military and retirement programs.

So we need to break it up, desegregate the companies and have it tiered in such a fashion: Youth-Teens, Teens-Adults, Adults(Elderly). And when we break it up like this, the costs will decrease on their own(Since each group has different issues in general. What a novel concept!) And now that it's broken into tiers, the said deductibles and subsidies can last longer as well.

I would have it set up as a two-tier system(like Singapore) with a private/public component, hopefully releasing the strain off Medicare and other programs. I'd push Across the State Lines. Because if Democrats are serious about a National System, the system has to incorporate the Union. We went through this before: The Continental Dollar. It was decided to have a Greenback instead of the individual State currency.

I'd like to ask Democrats, what makes health insurance the lone exception(and it's not just health insurance, it's ALL kinds of insurance) to our being a union? If we had Across the State Lines, anyone could carry their plans across this country. Anyone could competitively shop for prices in our market. For a party that(politically speaking) supports its Remain friends in Europe, on certain crucial issues, you'd rather have the States segmented yet attempt a National Plan. It doesn't make sense.

 

eh hem......see thread title. Obama himself agrees with me. Is he lying or are you?
Also lets fact check your medical plan. I have your state so tell us what plan you are one so we can fact check that statement.

- - - Updated - - -

morons on the left actually applauded her when she said that. Imagine being that stupid...regardless of your party? Imagine.

 

Well Nasty Pelosi and the democrats passed it, and now the ignorant old biddy can see what is in it.

 

What you say is completely logical, fair, and reasonable. BUT, it's definitely not what the average welfare-dependent American parasite wants to hear. So, they vote for corrupt, deceitful, Socialist-lite scumbags like Obama, and Hilarity and -- Ta Da! They'll get MORE free stuff from the government. "Something-For-Nothing" über alles!

They don't care if health insurance premiums shoot through the roof... because they're certain that they won't ever have to pay. They'll get "subsidies" (another word for "welfare") to make certain that they never have to pay what they should for their own health care expenses....

And Obama's "legacy"? It remains what it was from the first day that he first rolled this deceptive, socialistic bag of worms out -- he's a crass liar who hated American values as they were, and so he changed them! Thanks, Obama! You've brought enormous financial hardship to many millions of us who actually WORK for a living, and sabotaged one-sixths of the entire American economy! A wonderful legacy for anyone who genuinely hates this country....

 

Mexico is moving here. We won't have to move😊. There won't be much a difference. Thanks Democrats.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

What good is having access to medical care when you can't afford the monthly premium or deductible even with subsidies?

 

What should it be linked to? Without a job he couldn't pay the premiums. Another Aussie on the dole are you?
Besides health insurance isn't health care.

 

Axe me if I've got better services than 3 years ago, now that I'm paying hundreds of dollars per month more? I'm getting used to it though... thank you Obama, Liberals, Democrats... you're all IDIOTS

 

Can I refuse the services? What an intellectual dishonest response. You have a gun to my head and tell me to smile and pay up.

 

proof that Obama was right, we need a public option

- - - Updated - - -

you mean like police, fire, streets, ect......

that said, I am also against the conservatives individual mandate and would prefer a public option

.

.

 

cost under Bush were rising 15% a year..... what would you be paying today if not for Obamacare?"

Wal-Mart Memo Suggests Ways to Cut Employee Benefit Costs " 2005

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/26/business/26walmart.ready.html?pagewanted=all

"Wal-Mart executives said the memo was part of an effort to rein in benefit costs, which to Wall Street's dismay have soared by 15 percent a year on average since 2002. Like much of corporate America, Wal-Mart has been squeezed by soaring health costs. The proposed plan, if approved, would save the company more than $1 billion a year by 2011."

"Ms. Chambers acknowledged that 46 percent of the children of Wal-Mart's 1.33 million United States employees were uninsured or on Medicaid."

an interesting Article, Walmart claims Healthcare raising by 15% a year back in 2005 under complete republican control...

.

 

LOL

How your tune has changed since you advocated for Obamacare.

You should be a politician with all that spinning.

- - - Updated - - -

"Voting their conscience"

BS

Voting for their own short term freebies and "me, me, me" mentality, too stupid or willfully ignorant to see that their motivations are not good for the whole.

 

Forced subsidizing of programs through government at the strong hand of government is not "charity".

The morals you established for yourself, and your obligation to the collective, should not be imposed on everybody else through force. Get over yourself.

 

police are local taxes, fire dept are mostly voluntary, but otherwise paid for locally. Streets are primarily from consumption taxes. You guys put in a plan that would increase the inefficiency within the health care industry, and federal law forces me to pay for it. I can't move anywhere within the US to avoid this fiasco.

 

Yeah, because obviously it was an isolated incident.

I see you are now deflecting as well since your opinion and agenda have been shown to be full of crapola.

Obamacare sucked. It didn't fix anything. It broke more than it fixed. But don't let that get in the way of your blinded partisan support.

Obamacare will be Obama's legacy, and it sucks.

- - - Updated - - -

People were dying in the streets?

Link please.

 

Since the government funded and subsidized plan work so pathetically, let's double down!

 

[video=youtube;_o65vMUk5so]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o65vMUk5so[/video]

[video=youtube;7mUAd-JVK_s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mUAd-JVK_s[/video]

Clinton defends Obamacare

If you are getting hosed down by Obama Care, you can't vote for Hillary.