Obama administration confirms double-digit premium hikes

Funny wasn't it Bernie supporters that said the same thing......If they now vote for Hillary they're nothing more than Sheep, or a better description would be Lemmings.

 

I think Obamacare is going to financially crash on itself. Tick ... tock ...

 

I agree, the conservative mandate should be replaced by the liberal public option

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it's a work in progress, if no one will continue to improve it, it will need to be replaced.... if republican replace it, they will get all the blame for issues going forward (so republicans will not replace it), they had years to offer something better or fix the current system, yet they offered nothing

it's easy for republicans to whine about it, not so easy to get them to offer a better alternative or fix what needs fixing

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I'm not a Republican, but in fairness to the R's, they didn't vote for Obamacare in the first place. It is not their responsibility to fix something they have no responsibility for. That is the responsibility of Democrats.

Americans demand prompt, top quality health care. If we went to a public system instead of insurance, and it provided prompt, top quality health care, what would it cost?

 

welfare recipient liberals and hard working conservatives were both already getting free health care before Obama care, either through government or their employer. consider these higher premiums a penalty to everyone who voted for W bush.

he ruined the republican party for a long time with his incompetency of going into iraq, and now the democrat regime will reign for a generation. that means the rich get richer, and the middle class starts paying more for everything like socialism in europe.

America was once exceptional because the middle class had privatized health care like the rich, now everything will be public like europe while only the rich enjoy the best healthcare.

 

Without looking at links and going just by memory, my insurance costed me around $580/mo in 2011/2012. Next year its gonna be $1050, and my younger kid has moved out on her own...

Where the hell are my $2,500 in savings?

 

WOW, Just WOW....

Here you go again going off half cocked without getting your facts straight. But then you wouldn't be Right WingNuts if you didn't.

1. The entirety of this article is based on the Kaiser Family report which after reading this thread I'm sure none of you read. But here's the link in-case you want to educate yourselves.
http://kff.org/health-reform/issue-...able-care-acts-health-insurance-marketplaces/

2. The "double digit rate increases" are ONLY for the EXCHANGES. The increases for all other plans (employer based and individual plans purchased on the open market) ARE NOT REFLECTED IN THE STUDY !!!!!!

3. The driving factor in the increased rates is insurer participation. Less insurers = less competition. If you look at the chart in the link you will see that the states with the largest increase in premiums are ones with little to no competition. Case in point is Alabama and Arizona: Alabama had a 71% increase but they only have 1 insurer !!!! Arizona had a 145% increase because 6 of the 8 insurers dropped out of the exchanges !!!! No competition = Monopoly.

Also, if you read the supplemental that from KFF you would also see that the driving factor in the reason most companies are leaving the Exchanges is that the government ended their re-insurance program. So now that the government isn't guaranteeing profit margins, the insurance companies don't actually want to compete. Surprise surprise......That was the main reason that UnitedHealth and Aetna left, but they want to think it's because they lost money. When in reality it was that they didn't make enough money.

You would also see that in many states not only was insurer participation down, but there was also a lower participation rate among the insured. Smaller pools = increased costs. And lower participation rates among those seeking insurance lowers the cost to taxpayers. But I'm sure none of you will congratulate Obama now that it is costing less.....

If you have read anything that comes from the KFF you would also know that costs for healthcare are still rising. Hospitals were only getting paid by 1 out of every 7 patients before Obamacare, and they used that as justification for costs. NOW they are getting paid on average by 6 out of every 7 patients, and costs are still rising. So either their gauging, or they being very dishonest about what their charging for. But remember, it was the right who fought against any cost controls on the healthcare providers, so now you don't get to (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) now that they are taking advantage of you.

 

Steady job in fact never been unemployed in my entire working life

So your personal attack is ridiculous

We, like NZ. Ireland, UK, Most European countries have government funded health care. It is far cheaper in the long run and still gives good service

 

Which is why we set up a government sponsored health insurer when we first set our health care up. The idea was to ensure adequate market competition

It is an option worth thinking about in some places

 

The cost for 2 adults without children is $11,381, that's $5690.50 per adult or $474.20 per adult per month in higher taxes to pay for Government "free" universal health care.

 

the cost to Americans would be cheaper then what we have today

 

Eh hem, I don't know if Obama is agreeing with you or not; all I know that I got to keep my doctors and plan; could it be that I'm not under Obamacare? Ahhh that's it. My employer, along with 3/4 of active working Americans have their plans through their employers so we were not effected by Obama. What plan my employer offers to me is quite frankly none of your business so no need to fact check my statement.

 

Obviously, you have private insurance.

Hillary/Obama supporters never really support them. I don't ever hear counter points from progs. I just hear snide.

Sounds like you are embarrassed.

 

Really? What have Obama and the Democrats done to improve it since it's inception? What have they even admitted is wrong with it? What hearings did they hold? What legislation did they offer?

Let me guess the mere thought that Repulbicans might have an objection or two frozen them in their tracks so they never did anything and instead just choose to blame Republicans for their own failure.

 

I heard that the Obama administrations report says the good news is they expect 15 new insurance companies to enter the market. Of course the bad news is they expect 83 to drop out.

I guess that's the Republicans fault too.

 

Where are all the Hillary trolls in this thread? Don't see much. Can't defend the un defendable eh?

Hillary will pour billions into Obama Care to " fix " it and it will still fail

 

Why should I be embarrassed? For making the right decision to work for an employer who offers medical insurance? It sounds like common sense to me.

 

republicans control congress, what have then done to improve it or fix what they say it wrong?

 

I also have private insurance, and the only effect on me has to do with the general increases in medical expenses.

However, I know people who this affects, and it is not great news for them. These were all working folks who were forced out of their private plans only to find Obama care more expensive. Now they have been notified that their premiums will more than double, because they are employed and make too much to qualify for subsidies. Their insurance premiums will now be higher than their mortgage payments - like $1500 a month!

Additionally, in my state at least, people on ACA are being refused service by descent medical providers, because the providers are not getting reimbursed for services. It's a disaster.

Health care savings accounts are the right way to go.

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Nothing. They are all wussy cowards who are part of the problem.
Who ever thought they would see the day when progs and neo-cons are on the same side?

 

You are embarrassed by the ongoing failure after failure of the people you continue to vote for.

[video=youtube;bGsMmYv4DK4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGsMmYv4DK4[/video]

Isn't she a compelling speaker?

All you "Pro-choice" people are for pro-choice when it comes to cutting up babies in utero, but you're afraid to let people figure out their own healthcare.

 

LMAO!!! Since you don't know who I vote for your statement as such is irrelevant.

 

Read the stats above. 9.5 weeks (over 2 months) from regular doctor to even just talking to a specalist. Imagine having colitus that long with no relief? Better stock up on toilet paper, your going to need it. Now remember Canada has had that system in place for a long time WITHOUT adding 40 million new customers.

 

The level of complete and utter ignorance inherent in that statement is only eclipsed by logical fallacy it is based on

 

What part of "average" do you lot not understand??

Wait times in public systems are based on needs assessed priority not which insurers you have and are usually dictated more by availability of consultants than failure of the system

 

Look everyone, he states his healthcare hasn't gone up at all and that the rest of us are doing something wrong, then when asked which healthcare plan he is on he realizes he is about to be caught in a lie and battons down the hatches on his statement.
Yeah so did the rest of us, only our premiums have already gone up 50% in order to subsidize others. Sure its none of my business, I just needed to prove to the readers that you wouldn't post your healthcare plan because you know it can be verified.
If you don't want to talk about your personal healthcare then why did you bring it up (smugly) in a public forum?