Obama vs Gingrich

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Obama vs Newt 2012

  1. Obama/Biden

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  2. Gingrich/Rubio

    56.9%
  1. Cloak

    Cloak New Member

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    Hypothetically speaking, if Newt can get the nomination with all of his baggage in tow, who do you think would win in the general? Lets also hypothetically say that Gingrich picks Rubio from Florida for VP, who is probably the most likely candidate at this point.

    I personally am going with Obama. If this were Obama vs Romney, I would probably bet on Romney as it seems like the most generic GOP candidate would be the most likely to win. Why? Just look at the polling, Obama is neck-and-neck with the generic "GOP candidate", its only when you list names that he comes out ahead.
     
  2. zgillis

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    I think Newt screwed up when he started ranting about child labor, but you're right, Mitt Romney has a chance to beat Obama. For Gingrich, it's possible but unlikely. :-D
     
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    That's a tough call since the election is so far away, but I went will Gingrich since Obama has been such a disaster. We'll see, though.
     
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    Great Poll...:winner:
     
  5. zgillis

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    What has Obama done that's SO bad? He is trying to help the middle class at the expense of the rich who have been taking advantage of us and republican politicians for too many years. He is trying to make our government for the people again rather than for the Koch Brothers and Wall Street.
     
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    Uh, okay. The list is rather long. How about these two to get you started: the failed stimulus and Obamacare. Both are responsible for devastating our economy, and yet the guy has the gall to propose another failed stimulus? He's like Bush on steroids. As I've said before, if you liked Bush, you'll love Obama.
     
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    1. I absolutely HATED Bush.
    2. The stimulus wasn't great, but it still helped.
    3. ObamaCare will lower healthcare costs and finally allow poor and middle class people to get medical help without being bankruptcy slaves for the rest of their lives.
     
  8. LibertarianFTW

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    Newt will never get it, but if he did, I don't think he could beat Obama.

    Media: OMG Michele Bachmann is a front-runner!!!
    Yeah, no she's not...

    Media: OMG Rick Perry is going to WIN this thing HANDS DOWN!
    No...

    Media: HERMAN CAIN HAS GOT THIS THING ALL WRAPPED UP
    He dropped out

    Media: NEWT GING...
    Just shut up!
     
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    This stimulus made things worse and Obamacare will not lower healthcare costs. There seems to be a disconnect here.

    Obama is spending like Bush on steroids and yet you hated him? Obama and Bush are very similar in their policies. I'm really surprised you hate one and not the other.
     
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    Slyhunter New Member Past Donor

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    Why would Newt pick Rubio for VP? I think he'd have the Florida vote without Rubio. Maybe Cain would make a better VP for Newt?
     
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    Well said. The media is doing their very best to ignore the truth that Ron Paul is a viable frontrunner.

    Otherwise they would have to run intelligent debate on the issues when it is so much more entertaining (profitable) to report on sex scandals, Ubeki-beki-beki-stan-stan, and places called N*****head.
     
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    Where is 'none of the above'??
     
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    Exactly... if the media actually gave Ron Paul the attention he deserves, he would be doing excellent in the polls.
     
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    I dont know, when you list names a Romney guy might not go for Gingrich, but if the winner of the primary was Gingrich,,then he probably would go Gingrich. Either you want Obama out or you do not...
    Unless I am looking at this wrong....
     
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    You really shouldn't vote.This isn't some game.This is near
    life-threatening.Newsmax just had a piece titled - End of Middle Class
    Now a Startling Reality - .I assume you are one of those lackadaisical
    " Moderates ".I can't respect a group of such indecisive rascals.
    I mean,what more do " Moderates " need.Someone to draw a picture.
    They'd whine about that pic also.
     
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    There is much truth in this.

    Obama has become so polarizing that his moderate supporters have abandoned him.

    For most moderates, and certainly all conservatives, you could nominate a beach ball with a hat and they would vote for it over Obama.

    Funny thing is that Obama was the beach ball in 2008. Bush's policies were so polarizing, it didn't matter who the Dems or Republicans nominated. The Dem was guaranteed to win, no matter how extreme.

    Let's just hope Ron Paul is nominated so we break this cycle of extremism.
     
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    Ha I shouldnt vote because I don't agree with you? And no, i'm not a moderate, i'd like to call myself a small government liberal.
     
  18. What is free

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    Obama would probably win.

    Newt would scare away most of the independents, the democrats, and the people who don't really care.
     
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    There is no such thing in current Politics as a small Government
    Liberal.In fact that is a contradiction in terms.
    To be Liberal means to aspire a government Not Of and For the
    People but TO the people.
     
  20. Cloak

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    Nope, believe in small government, and I think we should cut underperforming departments and shrinken our military presence. However, i'm left on social issues like gay marriage, abortion, seperation of church and state, etc
     
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    The Kenyan Tyrant is going to lose to Newt or Abo in a landslide.......

    ....there are polls and those that disagree.....but few polls predicted the TEA-nami that hit on Nov. 2, 2010--The Largest Political Ass Whooping in US History.

    Its scheduled for landfall again on Nov. 6, 2012....and it could be even bigger this time around......

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    ....although thats hard to top.
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    He favored No Child Left Behind, an unprecedented federal intervention in education. He supported Medicare Part D, a brand new, budget-busting drug entitlement. He supported "comprehensive immigration reform," perhaps the most divisive-among-conservatives policy initiative of the aughts. He urged the passage of TARP. And he even spoke favorably about the infamous Harriet Miers nomination, a George W. Bush misstep that caused many of his most loyal supporters to rebel.
    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...ch-candidacy-would-doom-the-tea-party/249534/

    I dont recall ol Newt at a bunch of Tea Party Rallys giving speaches. If he is what the Tea Party is now then yeah, im done with that movement. Newt talks a good game but the guy pushed for TARP. Cheated on his wife muliple times and pretty much has shown the country why we do not trust polititions anymore.

    If you hate obama so much as to try to put this guy in office then yeah we deserve 4 more years of Obama. Aparently not enough folks on the right still believe in leading by example, family values, ethics in politics and smaller government.

    Last I checked Ron Paul did not support TARP.
     
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    And in 2011 much of what that wave legislated was wiped out by a public that woke up and realized what they had done. Repealed. Humiliated.

    So we'll see.
     
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    Most economists have agreed that the stimulus has improved things considerably and that the healthcare bill will make some improvements in addition to reducing the deficit.

    By what mechanism would a stimulus damage the economy? By definition it is beneficial.

    Obama and Bush are not as dramatically different as some like to pretend, but they have significant differences where it matter.
     
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    "Most economists" just follow the crowd. To find those who truly know what they're talking about, you need to dig a little deeper.

    How would the stimulus damage the economy? It increased the debt without providing a stimulus. That contributed to lowering America's long-term credit rating which was a major blow to America. It also propped-up people, companies and organizations that should have failed. It's important to let the weak fail so that stronger and more innovative companies can take their place. Otherwise, you're maintaining the status quo with is death to a free market economy.

    I think a significant difference between Bush and Obama is that Bush tried to be a conservative, but he just wasn't. Obama is a divisive Marxist and leads accordingly.
     

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