Obamacare fail! Affordable Care Act not so affordable.

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  1. raytri

    raytri Well-Known Member

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    Yes, the exchange rollout has been a mess. Of course, that says nothing about the good/bad of the underlying law. It's an IT issue, and also a wake-up call that the government procurement system needs to be reformed.

    Because the government does some things poorly, it necessarily does all things poorly? That makes no sense.

    As many writers have noted, other government programs that are now considered successful had bad rollouts.

    And here's an example of a major technology fail at a private company:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/13/e...us-and-put-colleges-behind-schedule.html?_r=0

    Does that mean private companies can't do technology?
     
  2. raytri

    raytri Well-Known Member

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    We'll find out when that happens. You appear to be assuming (nay, hoping) that this *is* as good as it gets. For which you have no logical basis other than a generic "government always screws everything up" cynicism.
     
  3. PatriotNews

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    Double? How about more than a 500% increase?

    [video=youtube;k_ikgQCKilw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_ikgQCKilw[/video]
     
  4. Radio Refugee

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    It's a BIG GOVERNMENT ISSUE. Can't you open your freeeeekin eyes? It's all suck, all the time.

    Darned near. It's motives and methods are awful, slow, irresponsible, profligate, wasteful in money and human capital when compared to the private sector.

    And you ALWAYS want more.
     
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    Ctrl Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Non-profits... sure.
     
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    I'm not 'hoping'. I'm seeing my predictions fulfilled in spades. America is getting destroyed by the most incompetent regime in 80 years.
     
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    gamewell45 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    First off, I'm not an attorney, so I'm not defending anything; furthermore not that I don't care, but its a matter of choice if they choose not to participate. Companies should provide their employees with a viable medical benefits plan. There is no logical reason to dump the responsiblity into the laps of the employee when it should be part and parcel as one of the terms and conditions of employment.

    My company chose to continue the medical benefits plan for all employees since they want to attract the best and most qualified people. All companies should do likewise if they want to be successful.
     
  8. Ctrl

    Ctrl Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And you believe that your company will continue to once there is a 40% tax on top of the costs? Not a lawyer, but an augur?
     
  9. PatriotNews

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    From what I understand, coverage costs are based on income. So while one family may save money, other families will be paying much, much more. So in other words, if you are fortunate enough to have a good income, be prepared to pay more for the same product than your neighbor is paying. Now just imagine going to buy a car. You and your neighbor buy the same car, but based on your income, your neighbor is getting the same car at half the price you are paying. That's fair though, right?
     
  10. Wolfpack

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    That's a pretty idiotic statement. The best and brightest among us will always be successful. I may have to spend a bit more on insurance but I am fortunate in that I can easily afford it.

    Meanwhile, a lot of companies get by with hiring unskilled labor for their positions. Those are the people who are going to suffer. You know, the people the moronic left always claim the represent.
     
  11. Wake_Up

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    Cite, or shut up.

    - - - Updated - - -

    TRANSLATION: people are happy to spend THEIR money where THEY want to, but get upset when they are FORCED to pay the way for someone else.

    Yep, you got it about right.
     
  12. Wake_Up

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    " If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what."

    -obama
    June 15, 2009



    Guess he forgot to add "...for a price..." to that remark.
     
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    Rapunzel New Member Past Donor

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    It's called social planning, social justice and the redistribution of wealth.
     
  14. Wake_Up

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    Of course there are subsidies...for the <however many millions the claim is today>.... that can't afford health care...and those subsidies have to be paid for by someone...who do you think that's going to be???

    Again, nanny state government redistributing the wealth, taking from the producers to give to the moochers.
     
  15. Professor Peabody

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    That will last till your competition dumps their employees into the exchanges and substantially undercuts your prices. At that point your company to stay in business will do the same or cut the workforce.
     
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    Save the trouble, just send them to Canada, health care there is freeeeeeeeeee
     
  17. Bearack

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    Or he just lied!

    &#8220;This letter is to advise you of certain changes to your health coverage with [insurer] that are required by the Affordable Care Act (ACA). &#8230; Since your current benefit plan does not conform to these new mandates, your current plan will cease upon your anniversary date on 1/1/2014 and, in accordance with the ACA, you will be required to select a new ACA-compliant plan in order to continue your coverage.&#8221;
     
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    I believe they will and also believe the the 40% tax will be waived if they apply for a wavier. Furthermore there is no guarantee that the 40% tax will be around in 5 years.
     
  19. Wake_Up

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    It's America, you're free to keep your head buried in your a...er, the sand if you wish.
     
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    If what you say is true, then the best and brightest will have medical benefits supplied to them from their employer unless they are independent contractors.
     
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    You have to have a reason for a waiver, and if they were waivered, they wouldn't be dealing with it at all.

    Why is there no guarantee that the law which takes effect in 2018 (4 years and a couple months) will take effect? Because republicans are going to win a supermajority and repeal it? I don't think you believe that. That democrats are going to change it? Why on earth would they do that?
     
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    If that's the case, then why didn't they do it from day 1? Why wait to do it?
     
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    The whole point for this to be deficit neutral was was part of the taxes on the "Cadillac" plans. If they wave them, this thing will be so far into the red it'll make the post office look profitable.
     
  24. Wake_Up

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    You're missing what he is saying...it is typical leftist mentality...he is saying it's ok for them to TAKE it from you because you won't hardly notice it.

    The point is the taking part. The mental mindset that they have the right to do so.
     
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    The local FM radio host probably lost his job today. He asked people to call in to tell their stories on Obamacare.

    What he got stunned him and his happy cheery demeanor went to somber stuttering amazement.

    His lines were flooded with:

    (2) Crying mothers on how they can no longer afford the health insurance for their children as their insurance was cancelled and Obamacare exchange prices were 950+ a month!
    (1) Business Owner telling how he cancelled the insurance for his staff and it has caused quite a stir and loss of staff
    (3) People sharing how their hours were cut and insurance was lost
    (2) 20's adults that are now being forced to pay a $95 a month fine or pay $270 a month for insurance they don't want
    (1) Dude all stoked to be on Mom and Dad's plan until 26
    (1) Son of illegal aliens that just got dropped because his parents no longer qualify... he was upset


    Way to (*)(*)(*)(*) up people's lives leftists. You have the power and control you want yet? Or is there more to come?
     

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