Obamacare Is Succeeding!

If other developed nations jumped off a bridge would you jump too? WTF kind of dumbass logic is that? "Other developed nations have it... derrrrr" ... Get serious.

No it doesn't. Most people COULD afford it. Only a minority could not. Furthermore, if those people had been paying for insurance before they had the condition they would have been covered.

You CAN'T do both. It's an impossibility in the long term with a population size like the US. You want a utopian system that's not possible long-term without severe detrimental effects to the economy and the country as a whole.

They didn't have to go without, those people had other opportunities. If they chose not to take them, how is it anybody's fault except their own?

 

If I were Denmark, Sweden, Finland, and Norway, I probably would. They have not lost jobs like the right said obamacare would do, and these countries love their healthcare.

Probably the kind of (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) logic you wish had.

Yea, good for you, because I couldn't afford such a thing, much less find that such a policy even exists for middle income families. And did they cover catastrophic? I never new many of those policies either.

Your statements are not etched in anything factual here. There are other developed countries with large populations and they provide healthcare for all.

 

First of all, Obamacare has already lost thousands and thousands of jobs. So many jobs have been and will be lost because of Obamacare that he had to threaten business owners with punishment if they fired people to get under 50 employees and blamed Obamacare for it. They can fire people to get under the 50 limit, but they can't blame Obamacare for it. They have to blame something else.

Second, I said long-term and a country as populous as the USA.
Denmark: 5.59million
Sweden: 9.5million
Finland: 5.4million
Norway: 5.0million

In comparison:
NYC: 8.3million

Try to compare apples with apples. Not country's the size of one of our cities.

I would be willing to bet that you simply didn't use all of the resources available to you. Regardless, just because you were not able to find a policy does not mean that they did not exist. BTW you do realize that the Bronze plan, which the vast majority of people are signing up for do not cover catastrophic... right?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot...res-insurance-mandate-unaffordable-exchanges/

Obamacare’s ‘catastrophic plans’ are also unaffordable

The administration has also expanded the availability of the law’s so-called “catastrophic” plans. But the catastrophic plans under Obamacare aren’t like the ones you might be familiar with. ACA-compliant “catastrophic plans” have to cover all of the services defined as “preventive” by the government, along with all of the Obamacare-defined “essential health benefits,” like drug-addiction therapy.

The major difference between the regular Obamacare “bronze” plan and the Obamacare “catastrophic” plan is that the catastrophic plan covers three primary care visits prior to hitting the deductible. Which isn’t that much of a difference at all.

The catastrophic plans are supposed to be available only to those under 30, and those older than 30 who can’t find coverage for less than 8 percent of their income. And the catastrophic plans are not eligible for Obamacare’s premium support subsidies.

The upshot of all this is that the catastrophic plans aren’t that much cheaper than the regular Obamacare plans. In California, for example, the median cost of a pre-Obamacare plan on eHealthInsurance.com, for a 25-year-old male non-smoker, was $92. The Obamacare bronze plans cost an average of $205 a month. The Obamacare catastrophic plans? $184. In some parts of the country, the catastrophic plans are actually more expensive than the bronze plans.

For this reason, I don’t expect many Americans to sign up for the catastrophic plans. If you think that the Obamacare bronze plans are unaffordable, you’re likely to feel the same way about the catastrophic plans. Instead, you’re going to take advantage of the “hardship exemption” and go without insurance altogether.

The only one here not basing their beliefs in reality is you.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_MassachusettsI'm not! Try Massachusetts! Population and square mile area have nothing to do with it. By the way, Mass. has Romneycare where 87% like it, and it's the same thing as Obamacare. It's also smaller than the Scandinavian countries I mentioned.

Most people sign up for the Silver Plan.

Do you folks ever do anything other than Forbes and Fox? Those are right wing hack websites.

https://www.healthcare.gov/can-i-buy-a-catastrophic-plan/ You do not know if they are un-affordable or not. There is a hardship exemption for catastrophic if needed. You are using California as your model of comparison. I looked at other states and my own situation and the monthly premiums for a Silver plan which is what most people are getting, is very reasonable in the prospective states I looked into, compared to annual salaries.

 

Spin and deflection from a post that's all the left does

 

The ObamaCare plan is not succeeding. The number of young, healthy people has not kept up with expectations, and they are needed to pay for the old, sick and poor. Our daughter will pay $5,000 for the same policy this year thanks to ObamaCare and after the company mandate expires, she will probably lose her coverage. Many people who supposedly have enrolled have not yet paid, or if they have paid, insurance companies don't yet have them on record.

If this law is succeeding, why has Obama delayed or changed so many of its provisions? He wants Democrats to win the next election.

Mr.Truth is living in an alternate universe. And that is the truth.

 

I mention affordable healthcare and you end with mandate, and I'm somehow spinning and deflecting?

 

Yea your deflecting because you don't want to address the issue of Obama delayed once again the employee mandate till after he is gone from office

 

I have no problem addressing the mandate or not addressing the mandate. The republicans are for, if not more for mandates than the democrats. We've been mandating the people for decades. I fail to see why all of a sudden with healthcare, it is an issue. To give you the perfect examples for mandates by republicans, here are some great examples; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qb0UNRl-paQ You still want to talk about mandates?

 

And again don't want to debate my post?

I will save you some trouble

Bush did it

 

You're acting very juvenile right now. You brought up the mandate. You want to talk mandate? Then talk mandate. Telling me bush did it, does not address your own issue about the mandate. If you're going to act juvenile and play silly games, then move along. It's embarrassing. Silly talk is not going to advance your argument.

 

And hasn't that been the point all along. Marxism is not just for the Marxists any longer, right. Comrade?

What we need is for the federal government to butt out of health care completely. Eight states have asked the Congress for approval to do exactly that. My state, Alabama, is one of the eight. Eight states have petitioned Congress to opt out of Obamacare (because the name just sucks) and have the states deal with health care in its own way. So the dollars would be block granted to the states and we would figure out how best to spend them.

I hope this catches on and we get every one of the reasonable states to add their voice to the eight that have started this movement off. If you like your Obamacare you can keep it. In fact, you can shove it right up your, uh, hmmmm, blue states' backside.

 

And still don't want to address my original post?

 

http://fox4kc.com/2014/02/13/man-with-a-new-healthy-heart-says-obamacare-saved-his-life/



Man with a new, healthy heart says Obamacare saved his life



An Olathe man says the health care law saved his life. Once Mike O’Dell was able to get health insurance on January 1, he was able to go on the transplant waiting list, and he now has a new heart.

On Thursday, O’Dell hugged his three children as he saw them for the first time since receiving the new heart last week at Saint Luke’s Hospital.

Back in December, O’Dell, age 41, didn’t think it could happen.

“I thought I’d deteriorate and eventually I’d pass away. It’s just been — it’s been tough,” said O’Dell.

He couldn’t afford a transplant. He qualified for Kansas Medicaid coverage for those with high medical expenses, but he couldn’t meet the spenddown requirements to have continuous coverage.

“While we could have done the transplant even without charging him, the medication he would never be able to afford,” said Dr. Andrew Kao, his heart specialist.

Anti-rejection medicine costs $4,000 a month and must be taken daily to keep the new heart.

“I didn’t want them giving me somebody else’s gift and I couldn’t afford to have it,” said O’Dell.

He couldn’t get private health insurance because of his pre-existing heart condition. But as of January 1, with the health care law, insurers can no longer deny coverage. O’Dell and his wife were able to get coverage through the health insurance marketplace for $190 a month. That allowed him to go on the transplant waiting list.

“He wouldn’t be here with me or my children if it weren’t for the Obamacare,” said O’Dell’s wife, Kate.

And his doctors say he clearly wouldn’t have lived long if he hadn’t received the gift of a stranger’s heart last week.

“Kinda like winning the lottery,” said O’Dell.

He could go home from the hospital early next week.

An infection struck O’Dell’s heart three years ago. He said before that, he was perfectly healthy and didn’t think he needed health insurance. He says now, he knows differently.





ACA = More lives and money saved thank to Obamacare.


THANK YOU PRESIDENT OBAMA!!!!

 

Negative! That's exactly what we don't need. We need 100% federal government run health care like every other developed country has. It works. Having states run the healthcare would be disastrous unless you are going to run it like Massachusetts where 87% like their healthcare, because all it is is state run Obamacare/ Romneycare. The problem is, you can't trust states governors to do the right thing by its citizens. Look at the shenanigans with the Christie administration for example. Look at what Pat McCrory is doing in North Carolina about these voter suppression laws. Ohio, Florida doing the same thing. You cannot trust many states. Sooner or later, you hand over health care to the states, it will be corrupted.

I hope this catches on and we get every one of the reasonable states to add their voice to the eight that have started this movement off. If you like your Obamacare you can keep it. In fact, you can shove it right up your, uh, hmmmm, blue states' backside.[/QUOTE]

 

You never did. That's your mind in circles not mine.

 

And anyways have a happy November

Because you so lost the senate

 

Awesome story!

http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-stories.php Lots of good stories, facts, lies, along with bogus web sites happening with Obamacare right now. The big corporations and their money want it to fail. We will have to fight the barrage of lies all the way. Folks, if they put up bogus web sites, it becomes crystal clear who the cooks and liars are in all this.

 

"And hasn't that been the point all along. Marxism is not just for the Marxists any longer, right. Comrade?

What we need is for the federal government to butt out of health care completely. Eight states have asked the Congress for approval to do exactly that. My state, Alabama, is one of the eight. Eight states have petitioned Congress to opt out of Obamacare (because the name just sucks) and have the states deal with health care in its own way. So the dollars would be block granted to the states and we would figure out how best to spend them."

You really don't like freedom very much do you comrade? Some of us are on to you. You are like damage. We have to route around you because you are not fixable. Eventually you and Barack are going to have to be thrown out into the garbage heap.

I hope this catches on and we get every one of the reasonable states to add their voice to the eight that have started this movement off. If you like your Obamacare you can keep it. In fact, you can shove it right up your, uh, hmmmm, blue states' backside.

So if you like what the Marxist is doing to our wonderful country you can keep it. I prefer liberty.

 

Arkansas Lawmaker Admits He Just Wants Fewer Uninsured People To Sign Up For Health Care

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/02/18/3303871/arkansas-lawmaker-medicaid/


During a political fight over Medicaid expansion in Arkansas on Tuesday, one Republican lawmaker admitted that he doesn’t want to educate uninsured residents about their new health care options because it’s simply too expensive to provide them with insurance.

State Rep. Nate Bell (R), who offered an amendment to Arkansas’ proposed Medicaid expansion bill that would prevent the state from using federal funds to promote Obamacare, acknowledged that his policy would result in fewer people signing up for health care. He noted that “without active marketing, you probably get declining enrollment.” But in his mind, that’s not a problem — that’s the whole point.

“We’re trying to create a barrier to enrollment,” Bell explained



Without affordable health insurance more people will die. This proves that it is Republicans, through their obstructionism, who are responsible for the real death panels.

 

I think he told the truth. This law will destroy the nation. We cannot afford Marxist wealth redistribution concealed in a health insurance scam. I curse John Roberts every night. I keep the day free for cursing the Marxist and fellow travelers like you.

If we want to provide health care to all then let's eliminate all regulations longer than 5 paragraphs. And all laws longer than two pages.

 

Well then we are all doomed aren't we? This monster is not affordable.

Are you claiming immortality for the people who find affordable health care?
Are you claiming that you have found the way to eternal life?
Impressive.

 

Fourth Georgia Hospital Shuts Down As The State Continues To Refuse Medicaid Expansion


http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/02/18/3299961/fourth-georgia-hospital-shuts/


For the fourth time in two years, a rural hospital in Georgia is shuttering its doors over a dearth of patients who can pay for their medical services, the Albany Herald reports. An increasing number of hospitals that serve large numbers of poor and uninsured Americans are being forced to close in states that are refusing the Affordable Care Act’s Medicaid expansion.

The Lower Oconee Community Hospital, a so-called “critical access” hospital in southeastern Georgia with 25 beds, will close down and possibly re-open as an urgent care center that provides services that aren’t quite serious enough to necessitate an emergency room visit. Patients in the Wheeler County region who need more extensive medical care after the hospital closes will need to travel upwards of thirty miles in order to receive it.

“We just did not have sufficient volume to support the expenses,” said CEO Karen O’Neal in an interview with local CBS affiliate WMAZ. “It’s a terrible situation, and it’s tragic, the loss of jobs and the economic impact.”

Last fall, Bloomberg reported that at least five public hospitals in Georgia, North Carolina, and Virginia — including three in Georgia alone — were cutting staff and services in the wake of their refusal to expand Medicaid. These hospitals are so-called “Disproportionate Share Hospitals” — providers that serve a disproportionate number of poor and uninsured Americans, and as such don’t always receive payments for the care they give patients.

About one in four people in Wheeler County, where the latest hospital is shutting down, is uninsured. About one in ten residents are unemployed and over 40 percent of children live in poverty.

As the Albany Herald reports, experts agree that offering higher Medicaid reimbursement rates for rural hospitals and accepting Obamacare’s Medicaid expansion, which would extend health benefits to all Americans who make up to 138 percent of the Federal Poverty Level (FPL), would provide major financial security to hospitals in lower-income regions.

Approximately five million working poor Americans who live in states refusing Obamcare’s Medicaid expansion will fall into a coverage gap where they make too much money to qualify for existing state Medicaid programs but too little money to qualify for the ACA’s insurance subsidies. Nearly 500,000 Americans in this coverage gap reside in Georgia.



Proof that it is the state's Republican governor who has created a state wide death panel which kills poor people in Georgia much to the delight of the far right radicals like misterveritias.

 

Do you think your propaganda helps your cause or hurts it? What does your headline say? Medicaid expansion? Freeloaders are bankrupting the states already. This is a trap that a few states have refused to fall into. If you feel sorry for the freeloaders then get off your sorry ass, get together with lots of like minded sorry asses and you come up with the money.

No matter how many times you proclaim that the ObamaScam is working it changes nothing. This is a step toward fascism and Marxist socialism all rolled into one tidy ball. And you are its whoring cheerleader. Awesome.

 

I don't see how anyone can trust Obama to give them healthcare when he can't even win a single sports bet.

This is, what, the third case of beer he has to give Harper on account of his horrible prediction skills?

The man seems unable to predict future events, or consequences of his actions. Simply the fact that more people will have insurance is enough for him to like Obamacare despite all the downsides that come with it.