Obamacare Is Succeeding!

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  1. tkolter

    tkolter Well-Known Member

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    Under the ACA itsw income based are you calling the working poor freeloaders earning under 133% of the poverty line? Those actually disabled?
     
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    i cant wait to bump this thread in 2 years when this abomination is wiped off the face of the earth
     
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    Source?
     
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    White House Fails Econ 101. Seriously.

     
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    Let me see if I can figure out what you are saying.

    The federal government promises to pay 100% of Medicaid costs for just long enough to get the people hooked on a new, shiny,
    unconstitutional wealth redistribution scheme. Medicaid is already consuming huge amounts of money in every state. Once a state is in the residents will find that more and more of their productive time will be in service to the state. Our taxes at the state level must rise to meet the huge new demand.

    Yes, the poor are freeloaders. Give it up with the disabled. It is so easy to be declared disabled anyone who wants to freeload will be able to.

    If we only gave freebees to those who are actually disabled I doubt anyone would notice. That is not the case.

    Now what did you ask? Am I calling the working poor freeloaders? Yes, I am. Those actually disabled? There is a difference between those who are actually disabled versus those who are milking the system because the rules for disability are so easy to meet. So yes. No one has a greater right to the wealth I create than I do.
     
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    coommunism has worked so well in history

    lets try it in usa medical today!!

    prices are up

    you can't keep your old plan

    so obama and dems lied

    obama care is huge costly failure

    and prices will continue up

    efficiency down
     
  7. Hoosier8

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    ObamaCare and My Mother's Cancer Medicine

     
  8. Mr_Truth

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    Obamacare enrollment hits 4 million, push underway to hit revised goal


    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...-4-million-push-underway-to-hit-revised-goal/


    ome 700,000 people have enrolled in Obamacare so far in February, raising total enrollment to roughly 4 million with a little more than a month to go before the sign-up deadline expires to get insurance this year.

    The new figures for state and federal exchanges released by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services on Tuesday illustrate participation in the sweeping initiative continues to grow steadily, a point raised by President Barack Obama at a White House event later in the day.

    But the current pace indicates his administration will need a record month in March to reach a 6-million enrollment target, one that falls short of the original goal.

    Obama's forecasts an all-out effort by his staff in coming weeks.

    "We've only got a few weeks left," he told an Organizing for Action dinner in Washington Tuesday night, repeating the new total figure for emphasis.

    "March 31, that's the last call. If folks aren't signed up by March 31, they can't sign up again until the next open-enrollment period with the 2015 rates," he said. "So if they want health insurance now, they need to sign up now, and we're going to make a big push these last few weeks."

    The Obama administration initially hoped to sign up 7 million people by the end of March. But the non-partisian Congressional Budget Office estimate now stands at 6 million, and Vice President Joe Biden suggested earlier this month that it could trend lower.

    "We may not get to seven, we may get to five or six, and that's a hell of a start," Biden said in Minneapolis.

    The new numbers for February and overall also come as the administration appears to be scaling back expectations for enrollment of young adults.

    For months, administration officials embraced CBO estimates anticipating that 18- to 34-year-olds would comprise roughly 40% of the total. The current number is about 27%.

    The overall metric is critical for making the program work economically. The larger the pool of healthy, younger people paying premiums, the lower the cost of providing coverage for older, sicker participants.

    White House spokesman Jay Carney said the 40% figure applied to the number of "uninsured who are young people."

    "That's a little different from what you would need for the exchanges to have the demographic mix that's necessary for them to function effectively," he said.

    Administration officials argued in January that Obamacare does not need to reach enrollment of 2.7 million young adults by the end of March to achieve a "sustainable market."

    Asked about Carney's comments, a White House official cited a different metric from Massachusetts as a potential milestone.

    "If you look at (Massachusetts), they never got above 34 percent in any given month as to the share of enrollees who were young adults and that was considered a successful risk pool," the official said.

    A spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner, a chief critic of Obamacare, accused the White House of trying to move the goal posts.

    "Obamacare enrollment goals are melting away as quickly as the law's deadlines. Youth enrollment has been a bust so far, and trying to whitewash stated benchmarks won't change that," Brendan Buck said.

    White House officials note younger enrollment has accelerated in recent weeks, arguing that will improve the program's viability over time. The administration has tried to lower expectations for this key metric for several weeks.

    Administration officials and advocacy groups have increased their enrollment drives, particularly looking to attract young adults and minorities.

    Obama praised enrollment so far following the rocky rollout of the program in October when the federal government's HealthCare.gov website experienced a number of technical problems that held down enrollment.

    "Four million people have already signed up because of you," Obama said at Tuesday night's event.

    To explain why more people have yet to take advantage of newfound insurance access provided by the Affordable Care Act, Obama pointed to a well-funded opposition "that has spent hundreds of millions of dollars, if not billions of dollars spreading misinformation" about Obamacare.

    Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services Administrator Marilyn Tavenner said the latest numbers demonstrated "strong demand" for health insurance nationwide.

    The administration will release a full enrollment report in mid-March, updating its February report.




    Now imagine of the red states had expanded Medicaid - those numbers would have been FAR higher by now.
     
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    It's clearly a redistribution program under the guise of health care.

    That Carny is just plainly duplicitous.
     
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    The preceding propaganda was brought to you by the letters R, A P, E, and the numbers zero as in zero truth.

    Do you never tire of prostituting yourself for a tyrant?
     
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    The IRS even calls it the "Shared Responsibility Tax".
     
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    Your writing is difficult to understand. Let me see if I can interpret it. Are you telling me that under the ACA the amount we pay is based upon our income? So "from each according to his abilities"? And the service we get is based upon what the government says we need, as in "to each according to his needs"?

    And do you believe, with as easy as it is today to be proclaimed disabled, that all those healthy good-for-nothings that suck up resources but produce nothing whatever of value, are actually disabled?

    Reduce the number by five-fold and I might believe you.

    Do I have that right?
     
  13. Mr_Truth

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    Republicans’ Worst Nightmare Comes True: Support For Repealing Obamacare Hits All Time Low


    http://www.politicususa.com/2014/02...ue-support-repealing-obamacare-hits-time.html


    A new Kaiser Family Foundation health tracking poll dealt a blow to Republicans by finding that support for repealing the ACA has hit an all time of low of 31%.

    There is bad news all over the place for Republicans in the poll, “When it comes to next steps on the law, a majority say it should be kept in place, including 48 percent who want Congress to work to improve it and 8 percent who say it should be kept as is. Fewer say Congress should repeal the law and replace it with a Republican-sponsored alternative (12 percent) or repeal it and not replace it (19 percent).”

    To put it another way, the only issue that the Republicans thought they had in their favor in 2014 has turned against them. The GOP has it all wrong. The majority doesn’t think that Obamacare is a job killing monstrosity that must be killed today. Most people want the law to stay in place, but they also want political leaders to improve it.



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    These numbers will INCREASE as more lives and money are saved thanks to ACA.



    Thank you Mr Obama! :flagus: :flagus: :flagus:
     
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    Shameful: Republicans Block Bill to Expand Healthcare and Education for Veterans


    One of the biggest problems I have with Republicans is their blatant hypocrisy. They’ll portray themselves as the party of “small, fiscally conservative government” while advocating for laws which are the complete opposite. Their rallying cry of “we support our troops” is another that’s a clear misnomer of exactly what policies they support. Republicans frequently support sending our troops off to war and often oppose funding for programs which helps our troops when they’re not deployed to war. To say Republicans “support our troops” is a blatant slap to the face of every man and woman who has served our country. Hell, even their push to cut SNAP benefits impacted millions of families of those serving in our military. Granted, the Republican party does overwhelmingly supports massive defense spending, but that’s not the same thing. Defense spending favors big defense contractors far more than anything or anybody else. When it comes to supporting spending for programs that actually help our brave men and women in uniform or those veterans who honorably defended our nation – Republicans are often much more hesitant to do so, or demand something else in return for doing so. See, they’ve misled their voters into believing that massive defense spending is the same as massive spending to support our military. Which isn’t true at all. A perfect example of this was how Senate Republicans blocked a bill supported by Democrats called the Comprehensive Veterans Health and Benefits and Military Pay Restoration Act. This bill would have expanded healthcare and education programs for veterans. By a vote of 56-41, with only two Republicans siding with Democrats, the bill failed to advance thanks to Republican opposition to the bill. Essentially Republicans opposed the bill because, while helping our veterans is important, they were more concerned with how much it might grow our deficit. Some also seem to think this is the Republican retaliation for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid refusing to allow a vote on new Iran sanctions in the midst of ongoing nuclear peace talks with the Iranian government. Because nothing says “we support our troops” quite like playing politics, or worrying about a ridiculously small deficit increase, instead of helping them with the funding for programs they need. No matter which excuse Republicans want to use, it’s absolutely reprehensible. I don’t care if it increases our deficit or not. Helping our active members of our military, or our veterans, should never come with the question of, “Well, how much will it cost?” These people put their lives on the line to protect us - I don’t care what it costs, help them! And if it is because of their push for new sanctions on Iran, shame on them. To blatantly block a bill that would help our veterans because you felt like throwing a temper tantrum over pointless Iran sanctions that stand no chance at passing is absolutely pathetic. Thankfully Harry Reid didn’t let this disgusting display by Republicans go without having a few choice words: “I hope all the veterans groups have witnessed all the contortions the Republicans have done to defeat this bill. Shame on Republicans for bringing base politics into a bill to help veterans.” Sadly, I doubt many conservatives will care about this. I’m sure Fox News will spin it against Democrats, and being that conservatives typically watch no other news but Fox, they’ll never know the truth as to why a bill to help veterans was blocked. That’s if they report on it at all. This is just another example of the party of hypocrisy, the Republican party, contradicting yet another one of their key talking points to play partisan politics. Because when it came down to supporting our veterans, or support the Republican party’s own self interests, Republicans chose themselves.




    http://www.forwardprogressives.com/republicans-block-bill-expand-healthcare-education-veterans/




    In their efforts to destroy America and our veterans, the Republicans have done all they could to sabotage ACA. Thus, many are denied its benefits while the delusional right wing continues to pretend Obamacare isn't working when it clearly is.


    Thank you Mr Obama! :flagus: :flagus: :flagus:
     
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    You mean like this?

    Just a reminder: Senate Democrats and the president shut down the federal government, refuse to negotiate, and are blocking bipartisan House-passed bills to fund…

    Veterans benefits
    Cancer research
    Paychecks for our National Guard and Reserve
    Our national parks and museums
    Nutrition assistance for low-income women and children
    Food and drug safety
    Paychecks for federal workers still on the job during the shutdown
    Head Start
    FEMA and disaster recovery; and more

    - See more at: http://www.speaker.gov/general/demo...s-their-inexcusable-mess#sthash.S3nVMUSq.dpuf
     
  16. Mr_Truth

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    Correction: it was Boehner and the Republicans who are responsible for the shutdown.

    Yes, it is fashionable and politically correct to always blame Democrats but for those of us who live in reality, the TRUTH is that your party is to blame.
     
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    Yep, that is what the lib press pushed yet it was only the Republicans that passed any spending bills.
     
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    Thank you for conceding that Obamacare is succeeding!
     
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    On another note, democrats shirking their responsibilities again.

    Senate Dems to skip 2015 budget

    - - - Updated - - -

    Restaurants in FL Also Charging Obamacare Surtax...

    Long waits frustrate callers to health exchanges...

    Enrollees 'Finding it Impossible to Cancel'...

    Just sayin.
     
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    Why is it a republicans worst nightmare? It's Romneycare with a different name. :roflol:
     
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    Is that why it was rejected by republicans and never came to fruition nationally? Just because someone is a republican does not mean they are not progressive swine.
     
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    In my objective observation, I must say that Obamacare IS succeeding.

    * It is succeeding at driving up the healthcare costs for millions of taxpaying citizens.
    * It has succeeded in costing me my own BCBS plan, which for 2014 became simply too expensive for me to afford.
    * It is succeeding at adding untold millions to the national debt.
    * It has succeeded in adding dozens of dozens of new government bureaucracies (and thousands of new government bureaucrats) to the already cumbersome federal government, and growing the size and reach of the government's power over its people. Most of this going on inside the burgeoning IRS of all things.
    * It has succeeded in its attempt to punish the health insurance corporations and the taxpaying middle class citizens alike.
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    * It has succeeded in that it has helped this President in his pandering to an ever-growing legion of government-dependent people who are now more likely to vote for his Party than ever before.

    Gee.
    It's almost like it was planned this way from the very beginning.
     
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    Wow, what a heck of a post. Well said! :thumbsup: By the way, it's all true.
     
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    Well, never let it be said that democrats look for a way to fund it, but then, they wouldn't be democrats if they did.
     
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    Proof with links please?
    That's the scam private insurance is playing to hijack the law.
    Proof with links please?
    Links please?
    Health insurance corporations shouldn't exist to start with. We really need universal healthcare. Why would we want insurance involved in our health? It makes no sense.

    Good for them. Is that why you hate ACA? Because of the vote? Not to mention where is the health plan from the right that helps the poor to acquire affordable insurance? There is no plan and there will be no plan. Let them die is the motto of the right.

    Actually the right sat on their (*)(*)(*) and did nothing is how this finally came about. The right has no concern for the working poor. The republican party is the party of the few, not the party of the people. They never have been.
     
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