Obamacare Is Succeeding!

So then how come the right wing voted for him then?

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So then how come the right wing voted for him then?

 

I would guess because there was no one else to vote for other than the further left wing Democrat with absolutely no business acumen.

 

bwk, dear boy;

I would love to spend my precious time providing you with links after links of evidence to support each and every bit of what I posted above, but then again, we all know that I am wasting my time when it comes to bickering with a fellow like yourself.

a. The evidence is mounting day after day of what a train wreck this law is, it's right before you eyes on the evening news, and there is no denying the tragic rise in cost in healthcare costs (monthly premiums rising, copays rising, and deductibles doubling) due to the governmental interference in what was a an admittedly-flawed (but fixable) system.
To deny it is to stick your partisan head in the sand, put your fingers in your ears, and mumble, "whah whah whah".

I shared my own true story of having to drop MY company BCBS. Why don't you share with me what has happened to the monthly premiums, copays, and deductibles for YOUR plan? Or are you still on your parents plan?

b. You appear to be a person who favors a socialist style of health care (witness your sentiments regarding single payer, and the elimination of all insurance corporations). It has been my experience that arguing with a die-hard true-believer in the socialist utopian state is an exercise in futility.

c. You have turned my own objective, independent observations about the state of Obamacare into a rant against Republicans.
I am not a Republican, I don't give a rat's a$$ about the Republicans, and my observations were not about the Republicans.

Please separate your hatred of some other political party from the issue at hand;
The damage that Obamacare is demonstrably doing to American taxpayers and to the economy.

If you can demonstrate that you are willing to be objective (not partisan), then I will engage in a conversation with you.
If, on the other hand, all you want to do is spout hateful Party rhetoric and absurd denials of the truth, I have no time for you.

 

You yourself can only engage by presenting substance on this forum. That's the first step. Otherwise, your precious time is still wasted on here. You can rant here and rant there, but without the visual evidence from a reputable source it will and has always been a waste of time for whoever is doing the ranting. Telling me it's a train wreck every day is spending your precious time by wasting more of it. If you're going to spend that precious time typing, you might as well spend it showing the real meat and potatoes of your message that means something. I suggest reputable links, which will probably save you some time. Otherwise, you will continue telling me a whole lot of nothing.

There is one thing desperately missing in this debate; its called "SUBSTANCE". Without showing it, the debate goes no where. It doesn't matter if I have something against republicans or not. What matters is the substance you produce.

What you hear and what I hear on the evening news quite likely are two different versions of the real story. I've seen premiums, co-pays, and deductibles go up. I've been seeing them go up way before Obamacare and Obama were even around. You have to look for the source of the problem. Quite likely the solution to the problem isn't the source of the problem at all. It just might be that the solution is being hijacked as the source, the reason premiums keep going up. Have you ever thought of that? What better way to hijack the integrity of Obamacare than to see other policies skyrocket by using Obamacare as a pawn to blame it as the reason for the spike. Sounds like a master plan to me.

 

Ah.
Clearly you LOVE Obamacare, and approve of it mightily.
That's great.

So what of your personal story?
How have your premiums, copays, and deductibles been affected?

Or am I getting too personal?

See, I find that when we step away from the Party rhetoric, and get to communicating like human beings, then and only then is there true and honest discourse.

Thanks.

 

If the GOP wants my vote then support my needs as a disabled poor man I will consider voting GOP but I will vote in my best interests.

 

Yes, when your vote brings money from the treasury at the expense of others, you will vote for any tyranny.

 

Paralyzed Republican Lawmaker Who Survived Thanks to Medicaid Opposes Medicaid Expansion

March 1, 2014 By Allen Clifton



I’ve said on numerous occasions that one of the biggest problems I have with the Republican party is their blatant hypocrisy. I understand that, at some point in our lives, we’re all hypocrites. But the way in which Republicans live by (and legislate by) their constant hypocrisy is ridiculous. Take for instance Arkansas Republican Representative Josh Miller who opposes the continued expansion of Medicaid in Arkansas. Why, you ask, does this make him a hypocrite? Well, because Mr. Miller is probably only alive today because of Medicaid and Medicare. Over a decade ago, Miller was in a horrific car accident which left him paralyzed. Medicaid and Medicare paid the $1 million tab for his hospitalization and rehabilitation. At the time of his accident he didn’t have insurance. An accident which involved a friend and alcohol – though Miller claims he can’t remember who was driving. When asked about his hypocrisy, Miller talked about how he believes there are too many people on the program who could work, but don’t because they want to abuse the program. He said, “My problem is two things. One, we are giving it to able-bodied folks who can work and two, how do we pay for it?” So, was he unable to work over a decade ago when he didn’t have insurance? After all, he sucked $1 million out of Medicaid and Medicare to save his life – was he simply abusing the system back then? And I’m really glad when his life was on the line, someone didn’t ask, “Do we have the money to save this man’s life? How are we going to pay for this man who doesn’t have insurance?” There’s no way in this situation that this guy isn’t a total hypocrite. If he wants to judge those who are on Medicaid as “people who aren’t wanting to work,” is that why he was on it? It’s indisputable he utilized these programs – so why? Did he simply work, but couldn’t afford health insurance? Wouldn’t that then make for a great reason to expand Medicaid so that those who work, but don’t make much, can have access to health insurance? And the fact that he would bring up the “how do we pay for it,” when $1 million was spent saving his life after a car accident involving alcohol is just flat-out disgusting. I’m certainly glad when his life was on the line, the decision on whether or not to save it wasn’t based off finances. Miller is the worst, most disgusting, form of hypocrite. Someone who actually owes his life to a program that he now opposes expanding so others might have their lives saved. You don’t get much more reprehensible than that.


http://www.forwardprogressives.com/...ved-thanks-medicad-opposes-medicad-expansion/




This is Republican hypocrisy at its very worse. How can anyone deny it??

What's more - this is further proof that ACA is working to save lives.

 

Obamacare is succeeding so well it now has it's own Mardi Gras float.

 

Do you believe you will be better off after the nation collapses? Do you want a strong, vibrant, prosperous nation, or the leveling poverty of socialism?

 

45-state study: Obamacare offers less choice, higher prices, breaking another promise

 

When a person is a pauper and disabled leveling everything would be an improvement to me. That is why I'm a card carrying Socialist. So YES give me the leveling towards the center.

 

You are speaking as a true authoritarian that values bureaucrats over freedom.

 

Freedom from core needs is freedom to - housing, food, medical care, work one can do, education matter.

 

33% Say They’ve Been Personally Hurt by Health Care Law

 

Collapse does not level toward the center. It takes most of us to the bottom. Once we are all there you will die. You will not stand a chance. I am sorry.

 

What business does the state have being involved with health care that the federal government does not? Please answer with something a little headier than "it's a states' rights issue".

 

Neverrtheless, it is clear, unless one is a tyrant, that the federal government has no business at all in doing this Obamacare. It is not a delegated responsibility.
The States must each rely upon their constitutions to determine what is appropriate.

It is entirely appropriate for individuals to be involved in their own health care.

 

REPORT: New O'care delay would avoid more cancellations Friday before Election Day...

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatc...care-delay-to-help-midterm-dems#ixzz2uzvfaW81

 

Right wingers fail to note that the Federal government uses our tax dollars to pay for Israel's health care. Iraq and Afghanistan both have universal health care in their constitutions thanks to Republican Bush. Therefore, these critics have no valid argument here.

 

That's a pronouncement, not an answer.

 

Yeah. It is an unconstitutional usurpation of my rights for the government to do this to me. It matters little of the government has made an agreement concerning foreign policy or defense to provide funds to Israel or any other nation.

I do not believe you have read the Constitution. Would you like a link?

 

I understand your love for tyranny. We were a nation of laws. Constitutions provide the framework for the powers that have been granted it by the citizens and the states (in the case of the Federal government).

 

Then if we factor in the 6 million and their families that lost their HC insurance due to Obamacare regulations, the figures posted by "Mr. Truth", are definitely in the minus column.

 

The government also signed ACA into law despite objection from you delusionals in the tin hat far right. Despite that, the delusionals still feel the law is unconstitutional even though a right wing Supreme Court ruled it is valid law.

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More money and lives are being saved every day thanks to ACA. Too bad this good news breaks your heart but it's good news for all else.