Official Thread: Slavery in east Europe/Justice, Compensation, Education

any information about those facts ?

" Danish merchants had bases in the Volga region and dealt in Slavs with Arab merchants. "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade

 

Which period do they mean? Ancient Rus?

 

I dont think that you will find any facts that there is any justice in eastern europe.
About slavery. Putin is the tzar and the population is his serfs.

Education is a synonym in Russia for indocrination (Basically, do what the great leader asseverates).

Compensation is equivalent in Russian to slaves money.

 

i dont think so, usually no one calls the " vikings" for "Danish merchants"..but i m not sure

 

VIKINGS IN THE EAST.

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=207553

 

Excerpt from serious history.

We would in fact know little about these Rus, these Norsemen in the East, were it not for Muslim chroniclers. Ibn Fadman, whose 10th-century Risala (Letter) is the richest account of all, kept a journal that details his encounters with the Rus along the Volga, as well as with many other peoples.

A few decades later, al-Tartushi, a merchant from Cordoba, described a Danish market town, passing down to us a rare glimpse of the Norsemen in their domestic setting. Other accounts, such as al Mas'udi's Meadows of Gold, written in 943, and al Mukaddasi's The Best Organization of Knowledge of the Regions, composed after 985, were briefer in their mentions of the Rus, but collectively they were all trailblazers in what was then the flourishing field of Islamic geography, a response to the thirst for knowledge about the vast Islamic Empire and the regions beyond it.

Unlike Europeans, Arab chroniclers bore no grudge against the Rus, and thus the Arab reports are more detached and, in the eyes of many scholars today, more credible. Most experts acknowledge that the Vikings were, in general, victims of a medieval "bad press," for the military excursions of Charlemagne and other Europeans of the times were no less ruthless than theirs. Yet the Norsemen had only a runic alphabet, suited for no more than inscribing grave-stones and place-markers, and were hardly in a position to set the record straight themselves. Their oral sagas of heroes and gods would not be written down until the 12th century.

 

Hm the strange wording indeed.

 

I thought this thread was going to be about the modern sex slave that has hindered the lives of so many women in Eastern Europe and elsewhere.

 

There is no such thing like "ancient Rus" Kievan Rus existed few 100's of years ago ...

reading from wikipedia on Crimean Tatars

Of course Rus themselves exported slaves in Byzantium together with wax and fur , thinking of slavery in the medieval era as a major sin is rather naive .

I don't see how Arabs had access to areas controlled by Mongols tho...

 

my Albanian friend you have mixed everything as usual,
term Kievan Rus´ was not in use during "ancient Rus times". and There was no such thing like Byzantium, use right term the eastern roman empire , term Byzantium was a German know-how

 

*I am Greek not Albanian
*Kievan Rus is an appropriate historical term
*Thank you for reminding me that the name was Η Αυτοκρατορία των Ρωμάιων
*Byzantium is the latinized name of the city of Vyzantion established by the the king of Megara Vyzantas .

 

do you think that we are such successful Entrepreneurs and force you to buy something what you dont want to buy? or we (especially our women) are victims of your social constructions and stereotypes ? and we are enjoining to selling human flash go the "west" , right?

 

I'm not sure what you are talking about? There is a massive industry whereby women are forcibly exported and exploited from and within Eastern Europe. Not much "Western" about it, though some of its contributors probably are.

 

find a 1 written source (from Rus´times) where with term Kievan Rus , 2 words side by side

was it Latin the official language of the ERE at least until XII century?

 

of course, you have no such a demand , and all your middle age men are well satisfied by western hot women so you have no needs in women in the fertile older

 

*Rus times don't count modern history does , at least folks here called the whole thing Russia yet historians named it this way to avoid confusion with Muskovy turning into Russia , Imperial Russia and so on .
*Βασιλεία των Ρωμαίων or Αυτοκρατορία των Ρωμαίων or Romania was the name Byzantines used for themselves, personally i am more accustomed with the second. The first Greek emperor was Hrakleios in mid 7th century and he changed the official language from Latin to Greek .

 

academical world is very careful with using of this term , the professional historians use those terms in correct forms, i m sure you are talking about youtube history channel´s historians
now i see, you are a Greek. your historiography is still in 19 century))) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romantic_nationalism

 

Kievan Rus' was a loose federation of East Slavic tribes in Europe from the late 9th to the mid-13th century, under the reign of the Rurik dynasty.

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Excerpt from serious history.

We would in fact know little about these Rus, these Norsemen in the East, were it not for Muslim chroniclers. Ibn Fadman, whose 10th-century Risala (Letter) is the richest account of all, kept a journal that details his encounters with the Rus along the Volga, as well as with many other peoples.

A few decades later, al-Tartushi, a merchant from Cordoba, described a Danish market town, passing down to us a rare glimpse of the Norsemen in their domestic setting. Other accounts, such as al Mas'udi's Meadows of Gold, written in 943, and al Mukaddasi's The Best Organization of Knowledge of the Regions, composed after 985, were briefer in their mentions of the Rus, but collectively they were all trailblazers in what was then the flourishing field of Islamic geography, a response to the thirst for knowledge about the vast Islamic Empire and the regions beyond it.

Unlike Europeans, Arab chroniclers bore no grudge against the Rus, and thus the Arab reports are more detached and, in the eyes of many scholars today, more credible. Most experts acknowledge that the Vikings were, in general, victims of a medieval "bad press," for the military excursions of Charlemagne and other Europeans of the times were no less ruthless than theirs. Yet the Norsemen had only a runic alphabet, suited for no more than inscribing grave-stones and place-markers, and were hardly in a position to set the record straight themselves. Their oral sagas of heroes and gods would not be written down until the 12th century.

 

*How the hell you will be able to distinguish between Kievan Rus and Imperial Rus if not using time specific names? wasn't Gallyn-Volhynia a Russian entity? how about Subzdal or Tver or Novgorod or Vladimir , should we call all of them Russia? i mean seriously....
*I am not a nationalist and i freaking hate everything the Byzantines were and did , please stop assuming and stick to the facts.
*It is your thread and you can talk for whatever you like but if you are interested we can talk how Russians exported slaves to the Goths of Crimea and the Greeks in Pantikarpaio and Herson
* Again no answer how Varangians could establish trade with the Arab world with all those pesky Tatars sitting in the middle.

 

Gallyn-Volhynia was a Rus(Ruthenia - the western term) entity. i wish that the west learn just one this term . Russia (Russians) can be used only from XVIII century

"Russians exported slaves to the Goths of Crimea and the Greeks in Pantikarpaio and Herson" , we just switch words Russians to Ruthenians (Rusyns), cos at that time Moscow(modern Russians) was a small village. i want to know more about Rusyns slaves, where they got slaves , and how many slaves Rusyns sold every year.

"Varangians could establish trade with the Arab world with all those pesky Tatars sitting in the middle", C.Tatars came into the picture only in XVI c. when Varangians(who were not Danish) had gone many 100s years before . thats why i fount " Danish merchants " very interesting

 

Those who read history know although Gallyn-Volhynia was a special care because they didn't met the catholics in the battlefield like the rest of us.

Rusyns are something like southern Slovaks , Ruthenians are modern Ukrainians and i think you are doing a mistake there, there are Rusyns in Vojvodina as far as i know. Moscow was a small (usually burnt) village for several times but the slave trade was profitable for all parties with slaves coming through the Volga and the Dnister as well as the other river that ends in Tamatarxa (Tmurorokan or something for the locals)... Kuban? .

Yes Varangians were Scandinavians from the areas bordering Novgorod and please do not use Latin numbers if possible...
The Danes had easy access to Russia through rivers so it is not a surprise they made it to Kiev.

 

It is not. It was just Rus'.
Kievan was invented later.

 

Vikings in the East.

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=207553&highlight=vikings+East

The information comes from a 1oth century traveler.

 

You launched pretty funny debate. This is the kind of inappropriate punctiliousness. The term “Ancient Rus” is common, collective name of East Slav princedoms under the reign of the Rurik dynasty. The term “Kievan Rus” came into the world only in the 1930s. And now the term “Kievan Rus” is not very popular in the scientific groups – the “Ancient Rus” is more correct one.

 

was Rus´ untied somehow, culturally, linguistically, economically, etc. or its also a later contraction, what do you think?