Ohio health official estimates 100,000 Ohioans already carrying coronavirus

Many thousands die from colds every year, in every country in the world.
What do you think takes out the sick and aged?

 

I honestly don't like to repeat the arguments to explain to you the difference, but in short hand: if the spread of the Coronavirus is not slowed by the kind of measures practically every country hit by the virus is taking (some more effectively than others), the virus is the kind that can quickly spread to infect millions of people over a very short span of time. This would overload the health care systems in the world in a way that is not at all comparable to the annual figures you like to refer to with regard to complications which see elderly people die.

 

It has already spread to millions.
Probably hundreds of millions
And nothing you are doing will stop its progressing to any significant extent.
But you will inflict irreprable harm to the economy of the nation in your vain attempt.

Your focus should be on creating increased supply. Not killing supply chains through stupid, ineffective draconian measures.

Now just for fun, say, "Flattening the curve."

But, if you can come back and demonstrate mathematically what flattening the curve entails, and the difference it would make in terms of numbers and time frames, we can have further discussion

 

The difference between 'flattening the curve' and not has been the subject of all the mathematical and scientific studies which inform the measures that practically all governments around the world are taking to stem the spread of the virus. I don't feel like doing your homework for you, so I will let you look for what I am referring to for yourself if you are so inclined.

 

At this point, I am going to just ask you to provide a citation to any epidemiological expert who does not agree that flattening the curve is the proper goal.

 

Oh ok. That would make sense with travelling. Like I said that theory seems not to have lived up to itself

OK but you know I am not into that. I do also note all the other things you have said which do give probably a pretty fair account taken together.

This holiday racket does not sound good. Mind you china did let those with cars go off on their new year holiday but all that freedom stopped soon. It probably would be used by the US to try and push up their Agenda but, I think the travelling should not be allowed for the wellbeing of the people now doing it as well as everyone else and I think possibly you agree as well. A UN Rapporteur was talking with someone about Venezuela. He was being asked why he did not say there was - can't remember term but serious difficulties for the people - and he said because we cannot do that any more. If we do that now rather than trying to help the country we are basically signing a war contract against that country. Those are the times we live in.

Here however is an interesting piece of news. The countries which appear to have managed this virus well are China, South Korea, Hong Kong and Japan. Now if you take China and Hong Kong what they have done different to the West is wearing face masks and massive testing and with South Korea immediate treatment of those found with the virus regardless of whether they have serious symptoms. They also from the testing immediately look for contacts and put them into isolation but there is an extra little thing both China and South Korea have been doing. They have been treating patients with an antimalarial medication like chloroquine and that seems to be one of the reasons many people believe South Korea has such a low death toll. I have known this for a couple of weeks so imagine my surprise when I found this today

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...rus-us-trump-democrats-pelosi-politics-latest

So there you go. Trump in usual style..not saying that Chinese and South Korea people and no doubt others as well have been receiving this drug since it began, likes to present it as a new US discovery!

Italy has had another 427 cases today. it's death toll is now a couple of hundred higher than China. It now has the largest death toll in the world though it has only 41,035 infected about half of what China has.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

I can't help but feel a bit worried about what is going on in Iran. The numbers could easily become massive for any country where it takes a hold if their health services become overwhelmed but I will be delighted if how you put the situation for Iran in its most positive comes to pass.

 

It isn't even flue he is claiming is killing your people. It is having colds.

 

Yet at the epicenter of the outbreak, prior to being able to test or cure it, in a heavily polluted, heavily concentrated population country with a lot of respiratory problems, it killed 4000 people.

That actually is logic.

You keep using your amygdala if you'd like.

 

Black death. raycis

 

It's almost as if the US has a higher population or something.

 

And did an objectively worse job testing and controlling the spread of the virus.

 

No, it is just describing the situation in China, while assuming that you know the truth from a country that you already said was hiding the truth, without even bothering to analyze or explain why the same will or will not happen elsewhere in the world.

 

I still think they're hiding the truth. Do we really think that China, who is confirmed to have destroyed information about the virus is going to tell us more people are sick than not? The political image is always more relevant than human lives(to them). What they're going to do is continue to suppress cases, claim that it's alright and even deaths will be under reported.

China is a far worse actor than Russia on the world stage, and we're realizing that now.(Not that Russia is a 'good' actor. It's just China is way worse.)

 

No I explained that as well, you just didn't understand it.

 

False.

While the POTUS was fighting Cornavirus by implementing a first-time-in-50 years quarantine and closing travel to China, the only thing leftists were doing was frothing about impeachment.

 

Thank you for admitting you don't have a clue how to do the math or a clue as to what mathematics the governments around the world have produced.

 

Exactly.

The Wuhan Virus is causing pneumonia in those with pre-existing respiratory issues and that is what is killing them.

160,000 people in the US die every year from respiratory related illnesses WITHOUT the Wuhan virus.

 

The only thing that stops the spread is running out of bodies to infect.
If the population were infinite, the spread would accelerate infinitely

 

There seem to be at least three or four different strains of the Corona virus -- the original Chinese virus, and two that mutated in Europe. One (possibly two) were thought to have originated in Bavaria, Germany, and the other one on the other side of the Alps in Northern Italy.

It's very confusing to all of us who didn't major in microbiology. Does anyone know how similar or dissimilar these strains are...? I think it's clear that there is a great deal about this virus that we still simply do not know yet....

Link: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...-coronavirus-moves-they-re-easy-overinterpret

 

I totally understand pandemic. We have isolated ourselves because I have COPD from the burn pits in Balad Iraq and don't want this crap. They medically retired me when we returned from Iraq. I live in the mountains an hour away from the nearest town and have no job so thanks, I will totally enjoy my "unemployment". It snowed about a foot today. and nobody is in any hurry to go anywhere. I will plow the 1/4 mile long driveway tomorrow for the UPS guy. Thanks for wishing me ill will however. To do that shows what hate a person really has in their heart. Tonight we are having smoked NY Strip steaks and baked potatoes with a salad. I will be sipping Jameson Irish whiskey with my dinner. Old white guys rule!!!!!

Again, you made a ton of asinine assumptions.

 

So you really can demonstrate the math?

Enjoy your dinner and I hope you stay healthy.
At least now I understand that you don't give a **** about anyone elses business, job or economic securty, just your own health.

 

Fast replicating DNA/RNA mutates frequently.
The mutation is an error in replication where one nucleotide in the sequence is substituted for another. It can change surface antigen properties causing it to have more or less affinity to cell receptors, may bind to different tissues, may or may not be susceptible to antibodies from prior infections, etc.

 

Dude. First off, terribly sorry for your situation. I read an article recently about the Defense Department's unwillingness to discuss or address soldiers that were affected by those burn pits.

Secondly, I wish you the best of luck in the coming months.

 

This is the guy I listen to. Tonight he explains the effect of distancing and hence reducing the curve, for anyone who wants to know. He also talks about the supposed 'new' treatment the US is coming up with - it was a month ago exactly, not 2 weeks that he gave the news of the drug which was helping people in China and South Korea. I have just heard that unfortunately the people of the US will not be able to get it for at least a year due to their protocol so that unfortunately will not save them deaths from a drug which contrary to what they say has been tested and proven to be effective (though not in the US|)- if they started being honest about it not coming from them it might be a start.

 

Well he risked his life for you. Everyone is most interested in what is important to them. Clearly if someone's life is in danger that is what they will be interested in saving, not risking their life to save money for you.