OK Atheists.......prove god doesn't exist

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  1. Daggdag

    Daggdag Well-Known Member

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    Since so many atheists claim that there is 100% scientifically provable evidence that god doesn't exist, please show it here. And please non of that "You can't prove he exists, so that proves he doesn't" BS. Conjecture, and circular logic isn't evidence.

    You make the claim that god doesn't not exist, so you have to back it with direct evidence. That is the requirement that you hold theists to, so man up and hold yourselves to the same standard.

    By the way, I am a agnostic with leanings towards Deism, not a theist. I just don't like *******s who can't live up to their own standards.
     
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    You are stating a falsehood there are no atheists who make the claim you accuse them of making.

    IF so then show some link to an atheist making such a claim.

    Any educated person atheist or otherwise knows that one cannot prove a negative which is why no atheist will make the ludicrous claim that it is there is scientifically provable evidence that there is no god. '

    Your premise is a dishonest one and that premise is dishonest fr a reason. Atheists no that one cannot prove there is no god and therefore the burden of proof is ALWAYS on the believer. And they can provide no evidence at all.

    Many atheists are different and arrive at their conclusions in different ways for different reasons but in general they conclude that there is no god because of some facts and some beliefs.

    Fact: there is no evidence of a god.

    Fact: the only knowledge we have of a god or gods is taken from holy books such as the Koran or bible and all of them can be PROVEN to be folklore and myth and fiction.

    Fact: the belief in a god is filled with illogical inconsistencies and contradictions.

    Now some of the beliefs would be that there is no reason to believe in a god or that we are better off without such beliefs.

    AS I said not all theists think the same way but in general that is how they arrive at their conclusion
     
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    IF god existed, why wouldn't he/she stop ISIS from committing atrocities and say "Stop! Not in MY name."

    This is silly. How can one prove something that doesn't exist doesn't exist?
    The burden of proof is on those who insist god exists in the absence of any proof that there is a god.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    I'm an atheist. And I would affirm categorically that such a claim is absurd. Though I've never heard anybody make it the way you state, I must admit. But it would definitely show a complete lack of understanding of what science is.

    Again: I'm an atheist. I just claim that I don't believe god exists.

    Of course asking for proof of a negative is absurd. You may be able to prove that god exists by just showing him. How would you show a no-god?

    Ok. First of all, I must say that I have no quarrel with those who say they believe in god. I do sometimes have issues with deists who claim that god can be observed in nature. They usually fall into logical pitfalls when they try to reason what is actually no more than a belief.

    If you are considering Deism, look up Fideism instead. As proposed by Martin Gardner. I must say that I completely and blatantly disagree with Gardner's beliefs. But I find his logic interestingly coherent. Click here

    Also, I have never understood this "agnostic" thing. To me, and agnostic is just an atheist who didn't understand the question.
     
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    considering the belief in a supernatural being that can control weather and bring down mountains is the extraordinary claim, it is this claim that requires evidence.

    so, where's the proof that the Biblical God exists?

    Ive seen none.
     
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    OrgAnized religion just went 2000 years or more in the other direction. The word my friends. The word. God is the ultimAte scientist. To squash any confusion about who created the concept of science. Its origin. The practice.. Humans can only do so much. We cannot make the wind blow but we use its engery, force for electricity. We cannot make a seed grow in an instant but we can clone them.. We cannot conjure a projectile to pass through time and space with nothing but our hanDes. Unless we physically make a devise that does so. I still dont hate atheists. I love and want to. Big heart. Live long lives with your moral compass to guide you. I have faith in all of us to do so. Please God... Keep us safe.. Keep the good men and women safe. Teach the wicked. Let life continue here, let the lives of humans continue. As it is an adventure and an blessing in disguise. It is better than being prey to anything here on Earth.. Other than humans themselves. May the sun never die out and the moon never to lose its light. For the moons light is the sun. The latter side of the day.
     
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    If aliens came down from outer space, what religion do you think they would be?
     
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    1. This is a straw man of atheism.
    2. Define god.
     
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    That'd be cool. Probably monotheistic beliefs. Considering that monotheism is not just believing one God but also is described as a belief in an all powerful mystical mist ****.. That's omnibenevolent, omnipotent, so on ans so forth. Basically the higher power wouldn't look like a man or anything. Also monotheism is described as being excepting that others may worship a different God or Gods. Kind of contradicts the whole one God thing but that is an example. Aliens probs be atheist too haha
     
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    Gud or God and Allah exist because I am normal society. But one of never want my faith.
     
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    I never feel compelled to prove Bigfoot or the Lochness monster does not exist, same with gods. If someone wants to show me one, I am happy to consider it.
     
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    That's not how it works... God created the world as perfect (without sin) but Eve ate fruit from the forbidden tree in Eden and as a result Adam and Eve acknowledged the difference between good and evil (Satan prevailed here). Apart from God (good) there's also Satan (evil) who tempts humans to sin.

    God gave humans freedom and free-will. Freedom to turn towards God, but also away from Him. It is up to you how you lead your life, whether you choose good or evil. In the end, you will answer for all of your sins after you die.

    Existence of a God cannot be proven but also cannot be denied. We know for a fact that Jesus was real and actually lived like you and me. Even God didn't stop his son from dying, because He knows there's a better life after death, perhaps.
     
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    Proving a negative is not how evidence works. The positive claim has the burden of proof and a lack of belief is the logical default position until that proof is presented. Though, I will say that most conceptions of god are so ridiculous and illogical that one need not even consider them.

    That story really is silly. Why would a perfect, all-powerful god be so insecure and narcissistic? And furthermore, why would such a god punish intelligence by requiring obedience without proof of his existence, let alone determine which of these religious groups have their facts straight? It's an immoral, self-contradictory system. So while I cannot say with certainty whether a higher power exists, I can say that the specific version you mentioned does not.
     
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    Please provide evidence that we know for a fact Jesus lived
     
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    That is why I moved to Apatheism.

    Atheists can't prove there are no divine powers and so far neither can Theists so my take is go towards the middle. If you want to be religious leaning then just keep your belief simple and stop being so extreme and supporting the Religious Industrial Complex. If not religious leaning then fine just don't believe.

    I figure until deities reveal their presence decisively, do something that demands we as humans act on that knowledge they either threaten humanity so we act out of fear or do something meaningful for us so we act out of some benefits why waste our time too much or resources of materials and money on deities we should act as if they don't matter.

    And cryaotis I don't believe Jesus of Nazareth ever existed there is little real period evidence and I think a bunch of people had visions of a angelic figure called Jesus or whatever is close and decided to make up gospels with them being his disciples to consolidate power over other similar cults. So why consider his life a fact if there is any decent chance the Jesus of Nazareth narrative was a simple construct and fictional.
     
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    If any of the atheists here are saying that there are no atheists who assert definitively that there are no gods...they are totally wrong...and probably know it.

    There are MANY atheists who assert that there are no gods...and who cannot stand up to the burden of proof for that assertion.

    What is more important, though, is that there are even MORE people who describe themselves as ATHEISTS who assert that it is MORE LIKELY THAT THERE ARE NO GODS THAN THAT AT LEAST ONE EXISTS...

    ...and those people cannot stand up to the burden of proof for that assertion either.
     
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    You can't prove a negative. It is a fallacy.

    Exemple: Try to prove that I don't have a live elephant right here in my pocket.

    That's not how logic works.
     
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    I thought you were rather a religious guy/gal.
     
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    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nope, an atheist is simply someone who lacks a belief in gods, end of.
     
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    You may describe an atheist that way...but many atheists do not.

    And, if you think anything I said in my previous post is incorrect...tell what it is.
     
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    All of what you wrote is your subjective opinion, you do not back it up with facts or figures. However you do not get to define what an atheist is.
     
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    I am not defining what an atheist is...YOU ARE. And you are doing a terrible job of it.

    In my post I mentioned what some people who call themselves atheists...say and assert.

    And they do.

    You are out of your depth here.
     
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    No I just do not agree with you, and that does not make me out of my depth, now stick to the post not the poster if you can.
     
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    Atheism is too often defined incorrectly as a belief system. Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods. Older dictionaries define atheism as “a belief that there is no God.” Some dictionaries even go so far as to define Atheism as “wickedness,” “sinfulness,” and other derogatory adjectives. Clearly, theistic influence taints dictionaries. People cannot trust these dictionaries to define atheism. The fact that dictionaries define Atheism as “there is no God” betrays the (mono)theistic influence. Without the (mono)theistic influence, the definition would at least read “there are no gods.”

    Why should atheists allow theists to define who atheists are? Do other minorities allow the majority to define their character, views, and opinions? No, they do not. So why does everyone expect atheists to lie down and accept the definition placed upon them by the world’s theists? Atheists will define themselves.
    https://www.atheists.org/activism/resources/what-is-atheism/
     
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    You are claiming I am defining atheism...

    ...when it is YOU who are doing the defining. (A lousy defining job at that.)

    So stick to the truth...and then give lectures on what I should stick to.
     

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