OK LIb s, let's think this "assault weapons" ban through with math and logic...

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  1. Bondo

    Bondo Well-Known Member

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    Ayuh,... We've had Armed Resource Officers, aka; State Troopers, in the public schools here in NY for Well over a decade,...

    'n None of 'em have shot any kids, nor teachers, though I'm guessin', many of 'em, would have Liked too....
     
  2. AceFrehley

    AceFrehley New Member

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    Never mind that, there goes a squirrel!
     
  3. AceFrehley

    AceFrehley New Member

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    Amazing... he offers anecdotes and speculation, then runs and hides when asked for the RELEVANT information needed to consider his proposal.
     
  4. Dr. Righteous

    Dr. Righteous Well-Known Member

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    Your math assumes that every single murder was committed with a different gun. So in actuality the chance that a rifle will be used to murder somebody is even lower than the figure you came up with.
     
  5. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    I don't care.

    How many shooting sprees are caused by armed guards?

    Answer the question explicitly.

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    When asked a simple and direct question, he runs and hides.

    I find it amusing.
     
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    It's a double standard, and just a hyper-emotional reaction to recent mass shootings like Sandy Hook and Aurora, even though more people die in car accidents every day than have been killed in all the mass shootings combined.

    It's no different than if the US was to outlaw gay sex, because of some recent story about a gay man infecting 80 people with AIDS.
     
  8. AceFrehley

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  9. AceFrehley

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    Indeed. I was keeping the powder dry on that one. Furthermore, there's no assumption in the statistics that addresses one person committing more than one of those 323 murders. Take the DC sniper in 2002, for example. At any rate, what you pointed out does nothing but bolster my case statistically.

    Furthermore, it highlights the need to address how to REALLY address crime: by prosecuting CRIMINALS.
     
  10. AceFrehley

    AceFrehley New Member

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    It's always about emotion with liberals. That's how they get people to go along with things that make no sense.

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    It's always about emotion with liberals. That's how they get people to go along with things that make no sense.
     
  11. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    ok did I miss something? Is there an AWB coming tomorrow that I didn't hear about?
     
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    We tried to talk to the GOP, but they were not willing to listen. They either ran away or put their hands over their ears while chanting, "lalalalalalalala".

    We tried to point out that the "freedom of speech" doesn't mean you can say anything and everything you want, any place you want. Removing/limiting your ability to yell "fire" in a crowded theater did not remove your right to free speech outside the theater. Saying you are going to kill someone is against the law, but it doesn't remove your ability to speak freely.

    So, when we tried to explain how that EVEN IF the big bad gubmint banned every gun on the planet, your right to bear arms is still intact. You still have the ability to stand up and fight tyranny. You still have the right to bear arms. For some very strange reason, the GOP didn't or couldn't listen.
     
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    It's what liberals want, and what Obama proposes. Rest assured that is only his first step. He knows that won't put a dent in crime, so will be "forced" to outlaw yet even more guns. Thugs like him prefer their victims unarmed.
     
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    Translation: I have no argument to offer. How about I babble about the GOP instead?
     
  15. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    He has to convince Congress. I don't think he can do that.

    Hopefully I'm not being naive...
     
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    Wrong, you fail to see the "need" factor in how laws come to be. Why would Obama ban gun X, when there is no hysteria over gun X being apart of recent or mass murders?

    Besides, you falsely ascribe that the reasons for banning assault rifles was to put in a dent in crime, whereas his reasons were to reduce mass shootings by assault rifles. And thirdly, you do realize that EVEN IF he were to ban every single gun on the whole planet, it still wouldn't remove your right to protect yourself and your possessions.
     
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    So look at the statistics and tell me how many lives are likely to be saved by an assault weapons ban. Hint: there is only one answer: ZERO.

    Furthermore, why pass legislation based on hysteria? That makes zero sense. What kind a moron implements national policy based on hysteria?
     
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    Oh,... so the Arms noted in the 2nd amendment really means, the Arms hangin' off our shoulders,..??
     
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    How about...............I see your argument, but I can't refute it, so Im just going to claim you made no argument at all. Because if I claimed you made an argument, I would have to refute it and I know I can't. I will take the easy way out to save face!

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    HUH? So you do realize that banning every single gun would still allow you to protect yourself or you dont?

    I said nothing about human anatomy. Try again!
     
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    rexob715 New Member

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    So? I will state it again and its just more evidence that the GOP is not willing to listen. Our purpose for limiting the types of guns you can own is not because it will put a dent in crime or mass shootings. Our purpose is because it will limit the amount of mass shootings performed by assault rifles.

    I wasn't pointing to whether passing laws based on hysteria was right or wrong, I was merely pointing out why should be ban gun X when there is no reason to ban gun X. Whether that reason is hysteria or something else. So you just chose to not see in sense in what I said.
     
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    Ayuh,.... Brilliant,... Circular logic...
     
  22. rexob715

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    Nope. Its called nuance. Notice that limiting the amount of mass shootings performed with assault rifles...............is not an intention to remove ALL crime. Its intention is to remove the specific weapon and/or types of crimes being committed; i.e. mass shootings with assault rifles.

    And besides, you still haven't told me how banning all guns on the whole planet would remove your right to arm yourself against tyranny; especially when you could own all other types of weapons besides guns?
     
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    Duh.... satire! I just now got it. But you really sound just like a drooling liberal. ;)
     
  24. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    Then why on Earth are you not going after pistols? The worst mass shooting in US history was done with pistols. How many times does it have to happen for you to go after those? Is 2 your magic number?
     
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    Let's do the math the correct way.

    Number of times an "assault rifle" is used as a defensive weapon? 0
    Probability of an assault weapon being used as a defensive weapon? 0

    0.00000164795/0 - INFINITY

    An assault weapon is designed only to kill lots of people very quickly. When an assault weapon is used as designed it kills lots of people very quickly.

    More math?

    20 dead children.

    More math?

    This is all about your donations to the NRA totaling over a quarter billion dollars a year. Your donations that ensure Wayne and the boys live their lives among the 1%.
     
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