OK LIb s, let's think this "assault weapons" ban through with math and logic...

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  1. Bondo

    Bondo Well-Known Member

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    Ayuh,... Circular Logic,.... If there were No arms in the world, Most certainly, our right to bear arms will have been abridged...
     
  2. AceFrehley

    AceFrehley New Member

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    "Unnecessary danger": who decides what's "necessary"? And to put the risk of high-capacity magazines into perspective, what percentage of them are used in crimes?
     
  3. rexob715

    rexob715 New Member

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    I didn't say ALL arms, I said ALL guns. Try again! LOL
     
  4. rexob715

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    So that's twice now that you have accused me of circular logic, when it fact it turns out to be that you either didn't understand what I said or INSERTED words I didn't say..............just to make your circular argument fit!

    And I bet we find that you are not willing to admit it.............twice!
     
  5. Bondo

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    Ayuh,... I've merely quoted, Exactly what you've said, 'n it is in fact, Circular Logic,....

    By yer standards, You're changin' the accepted definition of Arms....
     
  6. dadoalex

    dadoalex Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    First, an "assault weapon" is, by definition, not a defensive weapon. So, your premise is faulty.
    Second, YOU introduced the phrase "assault weapon" into this conversation therefore my use of the term is as valid as yours.
    Third:

    "A large quantity of unused ammunition was recovered inside the school, along with three semi-automatic firearms found with Lanza: a .223-caliber Bushmaster XM15-E2S rifle, a 10mm Glock handgun and a 9mm SIG Sauer P226 handgun.[18][19][17][20][62] A 30 round magazine was recovered with the rifle.[18] Outside the school, an Izhmash Saiga-12 combat shotgun was found in the car Lanza had driven.[18][20] At home, Lanza had access to three more firearms: a .45 Henry repeating rifle, a .30 Enfield rifle, and a .22 Marlin rifle.[11][63][64][65]
    The weapons were legally owned by Lanza's mother, who was a gun enthusiast.[66][67] Police said Lanza used the Bushmaster rifle against most of the victims. According to the state's chief medical examiner, H. Wayne Carver, many of the victims were shot multiple times with the same "long weapon"—the Bushmaster rifle.[4][68][69]"

    Not 4 pistols, a bushmaster, a 10mm Glock, and 9mm SIG Sauer P226 handgun.

    My math stands up.

    Your "facts" do not.
     
  7. Phil

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  8. stonehorse

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    People are calling for all sorts of things. People calling is hot air until it's law. There is no such law.

    On gun appreciation day there were 38 shootings, nation wide. After Sandy Hook the non-gun bunnies have had enough. Don't count on things staying the same.

    I didn't think a motorcycle helmet law would ever be passed. Or a fine for driving without a seat belt. But things change.

    If guns meant that much to me I'd be happy to give up large magazines rather than loose simi-auto center fires altogether.
     
  9. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    Actually it's stupid and there is no evidence that it would stop school shootings and it doesn't even address the fact that most mass murders don't occur in schools.

    Of course the "assault weapon ban" is equally absurd because it's based upon appearance and not on functionality. A .223 cal hunting rifle has the same firepower as a Bushmaster but the new sales of Bushmasters would be prohibited (while all of the existing "assault" weapons would still be availabe to purchase second-hand) and the hunting rifle would not be banned.

    We have illogical arguments coming from the extremists on both sides of the issue but they are a minority and should really be ignored in addressing the issues.
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  10. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    Not a single one of these murders was committed by person with a CCW (i.e. licensed to carry a concealed weapon). Based upon that limited factual data could we conclude that being licensed to carry in public reduces murders?
     
  11. rexob715

    rexob715 New Member

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    And no, its not circular logic...............I proved you misrepresented what I said and then changed what I said from "guns" to arms". That is deceptive and sad that you must do so to support your position!

    I will ask you again. The longer it takes you the less I think of your intelligence.

    IF, IF, IF the big bad gubmint were to ban every single GUN(got that this time?) how in the tarnations is that a complete removal of your right to protect yourself.............especially when you could own other arms(ex: knives).

    HINT: the answer is that it doesn't remove your right to bear arms.

    But who knows why you are not able to admit it???
     
  12. beenthere

    beenthere Well-Known Member

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    But it has ALWAYS been the LEFT that have tried to take guns out of civilian hands. So, chew on that one for a while and see if you have a logical answer for it.
     
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    Oh, if I break into your house while your on vacation I should be able to stay in your house because I have "put down roots""??

    What's mathmatically unsound is spending billions a year on sports in the schools but NOT protecting our children.

    "Where will all the money come from to hire retired police officers"??

    From the sports programs!!!

    ""NO!!! Not on the backs of Sports"""!!!

    What's the most important to Neo-Comms, sports or the safty of their children the proclaim to love so much???
     
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    beenthere Well-Known Member

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    OK, I'll take you up on your challenge.

    At $30,000 a year for a retired police officer, the money coming out of the Schools sports programs would be a cheap price to pay for the killings at Sandy Hook, don't you think??? Drop one administrator for each school and you could hire 2 police officers. Oh, my, now I'm getting WAY out there, right??? What's the lives of your children worth???

    Oh, by the way, the infamous AR-15 wasn't used at Sandy Hook.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECUPJYIqdjY

    http://www.hrwf-ca.org/2013/01/sandy-hook-shooting-ar-15-rifle-was.html
     
  15. beenthere

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    First, there is no definition of "Assult weapon" it's only given that way for political perposes. And as for the rest of your post, there seems to be a problem with it;

    No assult rifle at Sandy Hook

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECUPJYIqdjY

    http://www.hrwf-ca.org/2013/01/sandy-hook-shooting-ar-15-rifle-was.html

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...5ad0fe-4641-11e2-8e70-e1993528222d_story.html

    http://www.examiner.com/article/sandy-hook-hoax-is-falling-apart?CID=obinsite

    http://www.examiner.com/article/sandy-hook-was-an-inside-job?cid=PROD-redesign-right-next


    Care to explain???
     
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    Casper Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    I am close to the middle but lean to the left, but that concept is far too hard for some on either extreme to comprehend. I am label a Liberal my most becuase of my stand on some social issues, but then again I am a Texas Liberal and we tend to be more conservative than Liberals in California or New York.
     
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    An "assault weapon" by definition?

    What is it's definition?

    Be explicit.
     
  18. Brewskier

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    Isn't that one of the strategies Obama was suggesting?
     
  19. Bondo

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    Ayuh,... I've changed nothin', 'n only a moron would accuse me of such,...

    You have proven absolutely Nothing, other than yer bein' obtusive, 'n tryin' change the accepted meanings of commonly used words...

    'n considerin' the topic of this thread is 'bout Firearms,...
    Yer at least bein' disingenuous bringin' Knifes into the discussion...

    Historically speakin', it's Not the intent of the Founders to protect Knife possession....
     
  20. AceFrehley

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    That's for schools where HIS kids go... everyone else, why would Obama give a (*)(*)(*)(*)?
     
  21. AceFrehley

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    Hilarious stuff. An assault weapon isn't by definition a hunting weapon either. However, they are used for hunting all the time. Same logic applies to using it as a defense. Of course it can be used as a defensive weapon. Nice try.

    So what?

    Correction noted. I based my previous assertion on an MSNBC video. As they flailed around babbling, they screwed up.

    No, your math does not stand up because it's based on numbers you pulled out of your ass.

    You have yet to address the facts. Try again.
     
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    Dude, you said that I claimed that limitation of all ARMS is not a removal of your right to bear ARMS.............when I clearly said limitation of all GUNS is not a removal of your right to bear ARMS.

    And its quite evident that you CANT prove me wrong. I would keep trying, but I bet you run just so you don't have to. Let's see what you do!

    Get a brain please. Your ignorance is just too comical!
     
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    Explain blogs?

    http://www.ct.gov/despp/cwp/view.asp?Q=517284&A=4226


    "STATE POLICE IDENTIFY WEAPONS USED IN SANDY HOOK INVESTIGATION; INVESTIGATION CONTINUES

    In previous press conferences, the Connecticut State Police clearly identified all of the weapons seized from the crime scene at Sandy Hook Elementary School.

    To eliminate any confusion or misinformation, we will again describe and identify the weapons seized at the school crime scene.



    Seized inside the school:

    #1. Bushmaster .223 caliber-- model XM15-E2S rifle with high capacity 30 round magazine



    #2. Glock 10 mm handgun



    #3. Sig-Sauer P226 9mm handgun



    Seized from suspect’s car in parking lot:


    #4. Izhmash Canta-12 12 gauge Shotgun (seized from car in parking lot)

    Right wings blogs have no relationship to the truth.
     
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    here is a prime example of your deception. Here is what I said, "And thirdly, you do realize that EVEN IF he were to ban every single gun on the whole planet, it still wouldn't remove your right to protect yourself and your possessions."

    And you twist that into "arms hangin' off our shoulders"? LMAO! Where did I mention human anatomy? Take your time. Take all the time you need! LMAO!
     
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