OK LIb s, let's think this "assault weapons" ban through with math and logic...

Again you prove my point. Banning guns is not about saving lives. And you will apparently go to any length to avoid admitting it.

 

And more evidence that shows you are GOP! You CANT admit that when you say the same things the GOP does................that I shouldn't think you are liberal. CLASSIC!

Banning AW is about saving lives from being killed from AW! Its just that easy.............for some! LOL

 

The point was that I do believe in the Second Amendment. However, our 'right to keep and bear arms' is not without it's limitations. Your attempt was to discredit me because although I don't believe that weapons of modern era warfare should be sold to private citizens, I do believe that ordinary hand guns and hunting rifles should be. So there is no hypocrisy on my part.

 

This is what I see.

Wolverine: I bought a high-cap mag during the ban

Rexob: So you want us to believe Wolverine bought a high capacity clip when they were banned? Isn't the ban evidence? LMAO!

Everyone with a lick of sense: The "ban" did not prevent people from buying and selling high capacity magazines.

Rexob: Uhhh, herp, and derp...​

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Sure there is. You are drawing arbitrary lines.

 

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Whether or not the magazines were existing stock is irrelevant:
a.They were still available
b.They were cheaper than than they are now

I cannot believe someone can be so stupid as to not understand the rifle lacked the cosmetic features to be banned.

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Is he too stupid to understand the idea of pre-ban and post ban magazines?

 

Bingo. Aside from this person's blatant stupidity regarding the weapons clearly states that the ban was ineffective due to "copy cat guns".

Sparta kick to the (*)(*)(*)(*)ing face.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQN1u_aPgcM

The image of the board she is holding:


Cookies to anyone who can point out the problems with the poster. LOL Another example that gun control advocates know absolutely nothing about of what they want to ban.

 

Maybe we just need an additional law for persons who keep and bear Arms, but are unwilling to be necessary to the security of a free State, if they commit crimes with their Arms?

 

Wolverine.

Your diversionary games have become downright pathetic. As if the following points haven't already been made a dozen times:

THE NOW EXPIRED AWB APPLIED TO ALL FIREARMS SOLD NEW IN THE US EXCEPT THOSE FROM EXISTING RETAIL STOCK. IF THE RIFLES WERE SEMI-AUTO AND FEATURED TWO OR MORE OF THE REGULATED AESTHETIC CHARACTERISTICS DESIGNED FOR COMBAT PLUS A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE, THEY WERE BANNED FOR SALE TO PRIVATE CITIZENS UNLESS THEY WERE SOLD FROM EXISTING RETAIL STOCK. ALL NEW MAGAZINES OF EXTENDED CAPACITY WERE BANNED FOR SALE TO PRIVATE CITIZENS UNLESS THEY WERE SOLD FROM EXISTING RETAIL STOCK. WHEN EXISTING RETAIL STOCK OF SPECIFICALLY BANNED ITEMS RAN OUT, THEY WERE NO LONGER AVAILABLE AS NEW. THEREFORE, NEW SALES OF SPECIFICALLY BANNED ITEMS HAD NOWHERE TO GO BUT ALL THE WAY TO ZERO ONCE EXISTING RETAIL STOCK RAN OUT. THESE FACTS WILL REMAIN TRUE REGARDLESS OF HOW MANY PRE-BAN, POST-BAN, OR COPYCAT PHOTOS YOU POST. THEY WILL REMAIN TRUE REGARDLESS OF HOW MANY TIMES YOU ATTEMPT TO DANCE YOUR WAY AROUND THEM.

Tell you what Wolverine. I have a very specific challenge for you: Drawing from your vast knowledge, expertise, and contacts within the field, tell us how many magazines of extended capacity (more than 10 rounds) were sold 'new' to private citizens in the US from 1993-1995. Then from ANY one or two year period after 1995 and before 2004 when the ban expired. I know beyond any shadow of a doubt that IF you are able to access the figures, they will indicate that sales of 'new' magazines of 'extended capacity' to private citizens TANKED by the end of 1995 when existing retail stock ran out. Go ahead. Prove me wrong.

I'll say it in advance:

THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.

So take your diversionary tricks and stick'em. In the meantime, read this:

Again die-hard gun freaks. The now expired ban saved lives not only by banning the sale of specific models of 'assault rifle' but also by banning the sale of 'extended capacity' magazines. This effectively reduced access. Again, die-hard gun freaks. Four of the top ten most deadly mass shootings in US history have taken place since the expiration of that ban. Those four were carried out in part, using previously banned models and/or previously banned 'extended capacity' magazines. When 'extended capacity' magazines are used, they give the shooter the ability to carry more rounds, fire more shots, reload less often, and achieve a higher body count. The very presence of these 'assault weapons' in our society appears to have a negative influence on some. Lanza and Greigo were both raised by gun fanatics. Both had access to a parent's AR-15 which they used to commit mass murder. Mark my words: YOU MARK MY WORDS: More record-territory body counts will be achieved within the next two years by gun fanatics or their children who finally go over the edge. THERE IS A CONNECTION. SOMETHING MUST BE DONE ABOUT OUR OBSESSIVE GUN CULTURE.

 

They save no lives and had no effect.

 

You'll notice that he has supplied no evidence to support his assertion that the AWB saved lives. Not so much as a single study. He just keeps repeating that he's right in all caps and thinks that proves something. It's pitiful.

 

OK, so ban assault rifles. Here is a list of real American made Assault rifles, most of which have foreign equivalents: http://manual.americasarmy.com/index.php/U.S._Army_Weapons

Mode of fire is the important issue, not a folding stock or pistol grip or large capacity magazine. The regular U.S. Army has an arsenal of various weapons, from small arms to anti-tank weapons. During Basic Training (BCT) every Soldier must qualify with his/her standard rifle, the M16 (America's Army models the M16A2, but the Army has transitioned to the M16A3 and M16A4 models). Soldiers also train with a variety of other weapons during BCT, including the M249 Squad Assault Rifle (SAW), the M67 Fragmentary Grenade and the AT4 Anti-Armor Rocket. Depending on a Soldier's particular Military Occupational Specialty (MOS) they might also train and qualify with weapons such as the M203 Grenade, the M2 .50 cal Machine Gun and/or the Javelin Missile System. Many Infantry and Ranger units now employ the M4A1 Carbine Rifle, a more compact variant of the M16, due to its success in close-quarters and urban combat environments. Today the M4A1 is often seen outfitted with a variety of special sighting attachments such as the M68 Aimpoint or the ACOG Reflex.​

Just stop whining about the look a likes. People who whine about look a likes are doing nothing more than attempting to incrementally eliminate all privately owned firearms. In this respect the NRA has been doing a good job in thwarting those efforts and I continue to help fund their activities.

 

Really? No effect? Then how do you explain this?

In 1994, a ban on 'assault weapons' went into effect. This ban made the sale of specific models of 'assault weapons' illegal. It also placed a limit on the number of certain aesthetic features that manufacturers were allowed to integrate with any given model. Aesthetic features designed specifically for combat. Although the previous ban did not go far enough, it did place an absolute limit on the capacity of detachable magazines. The maximum capacity allowed was of 10 rounds. This limit on capacity was fundamental. No other feature ever allowed on any firearm sold legally to any private citizen has ever made more of a difference in lethality than the extended capacity magazine. They give those who possess the ability to carry more rounds, fire more shots, and achieve a higher body count with greater ease. Since the expiration of the 'assault weapons' ban in 2004, extended capacity magazines have been selling in record numbers. Some with capacities of 20, 30, or even 100 rounds have been sold by the hundreds of thousands. As a result, several of the ten most deadly 'mass shootings' in US history have taken place. The 11th has as well.

The most deadly 'mass shooting' in US history took place at Virginia Tech University in 2007. 32 students were killed in two separate attacks spaced roughly two hours apart. The shooter was Seung Hui Cho. Two handguns and 19 magazines were used in the assault. Some with a previously banned capacity of 15 rounds.

The most deadly one-man gun attack in US history took place in 2012 at Sandy Hook Elementary School. 18 children, and 8 adults, were killed by Adam Lanza, the son of a gun fanatic. Lanza killed his mother, took possession of her previously banned specific model of AR-15 'assault rifle' equipped with previously banned 30 round magazines, two handguns, and a shotgun and carried out his assault on Sandy Hook. The previously banned AR-15 model equipped with previously banned 30 round magazines was used to shoot and kill all or most of the victims. Lanza then killed himself with a handgun. The shotgun was left in the trunk.

The assault on the American Civic Association Immigration Center took place in 2009. The shooter, Jiverly Antares Wong, killed 13 people before taking his own life. Two hand guns were used in the assault along with several previously banned extended capacity magazines. At least one of which, had a previously banned capacity of 30 rounds. It was found empty at the scene.

The assault on the Century Movie Theater took place in 2012. The shooter, James Holmes killed 12 and injured 58. His primary weapons were a shotgun, a rifle, and a hand gun. At least two previously banned extended capacity magazines were used in the attack. One of which had a previously banned capacity of 100 rounds. Fortunately, that particular 'drum' magazine malfunctioned after firing somewhere between 20 and 30 rounds. Otherwise, the incident may have become the most deadly 'mass shooting' in US history.

Last month, Nehemiah Greigo, a teenager from New Mexico, took possession of his father's AR-15 and used it to commit mass murder. It's been reported that he was also planning an assault on Wal-Mart. Fortunately, he was taken into custody before he could do so.

That makes three of the top ten most deadly 'mass shootings' in US history carried out just within the last four years. All committed using previously banned models and/or previously banned extended capacity magazines. Plus the 11th and another noteworthy incident. Again using previously banned models and previously banned extended capacity magazines. Another of the top ten most deadly took place on a military base in 2009. Mark my words: More body counts will enter record territory within the next two years. The trend will continue to grow as long as those 'assault weapons' and 'extended capacity' magazines are sold to private citizens.

Critics: I challenge you to discount the circumstances regarding the specific examples listed above. Go ahead and claim that all those 'assaults' would have made the top 11 most deadly in US history with or without the use of those extended capacity magazines. Go ahead and swear that it's all just coincidence. Go ahead and make fools of yourselves. In the meantime, I'll say it again:

The now expired ban saved lives not only by banning the sale of specific models of 'assault rifle' but also by banning the sale of 'extended capacity' magazines. This effectively reduced access. Again, four of the top ten most deadly mass shootings in US history have taken place since the expiration of that ban. Those four were carried out in part, using previously banned models and/or previously banned 'extended capacity' magazines. When 'extended capacity' magazines are used, they give the shooter the ability to carry more rounds, fire more shots, reload less often, and achieve a higher body count with greater ease. The very presence of these 'assault weapons' in our society appears to have a negative influence on some. Adam Lanza and Nehemiah Greigo were both raised by gun fanatics. Both had access to a parent's AR-15 and 'extended capacity' magazines which they used to commit mass murder. Mark my words: YOU MARK MY WORDS: More body counts will enter record-territory within the next year or two. More gun fanatics or their children will finally go over the gun fanatic edge and commit mass murder using their favorite weapons of war. THERE IS A CONNECTION. SOMETHING MUST BE DONE ABOUT OUR OBSESSIVE GUN CULTURE.

Unless of course, any of you law abiding gun owners have a magic wand capable of waving away all mental illness in America. No? Ok then. The sooner another AWB goes into effect, the better.

You die-hards are in luck. I'm leaving town for the weekend. I won't have access to anything with a keyboard. So I won't be able to post any detailed responses for two days. But when I get back, I will respond to every single point, trick, and diversionary tactic. In fact, I'll be on this until the next AWB is signed into law. That may be two months or it may be two years. I'll be on this for as long as it takes. So you better start eating your Wheaties or call in some more friends.

 

LOL

You are mentally incapable of understanding the simple.

 

Amusing.

During the ban I was still able to purchase a semi-automatic version of the AK-47 and still had thirty round magazines.

After the ban I sell that rifle for another rifle, same thing, but with a compensator and bayonet lug.

Why? Because they look cool. Neither one has served a meaningful purpose and the compensator sucks.

So I, as did so many other people, purchased a firearm that was functionally no different than those banned.

I didn't have a problem finding thirty round magazines either. They were cheaper than they are today.

And some people are too stupid to understand why the ban was a farce.

 

Let us examine that large capacity magazine issue again. Presuming the government could magically cause every such mag to disappear instantly from civilian hands. Withing an hour two 5 round magazines can be turned into a 10 round mag or two 7 round mags could be be a 14 round mag. All one needs is the base which fits into the firearm and that mag can be simply converted in to a high capacity mag.

 

And also tape them together.

Reloading doesn't take much time, I can do my .45 in about three seconds.

 

Lets play with this some more:

This WASR-10 was sold during the ban (same model as mine, but better picture):


This GP WASR-10 was sold after the ban expired:


The GP WASR-10 is functionally no different from the WASR-10.

So how would the ban have helped? By making high capacity magazines still available and easily obtained? LOL

 

This was sold during the ban:


And then this after the ban:


So the ban was effective by making the rifles and magazines still available? LOL

OMG this is hilarious.

 

This was sold during the ban:


This was sold after the ban (well, probably before, I am unaware of any new production TEC-9's.)


So the ban was effective by making the rifles and magazines still available? LOL

OMG this is hilarious.

 

There has never been a proposal intended to make anything magically disappear. and if the mag conversion is that easy, then none of you have any reason to lobby against the proposed ban.

I'm still waiting for those sale figures.

That's it. I'm leaving town in 10 minutes. I will respond to everything when I get back.

 

Ok,so now we have entered abortion,drones, who's more liberal,who's more conservative,anti-Government-& Anti OBAMA to a gun control OP-
Well one comment I would like to make--the Constitution is part of Government make-up(for all you anti-Government folks) you,in my opinion can't stand behind the 2nd amendment & then be anti-Government at the same time--my,some would call that hypocritical-just sayin---
Second,abortion,drones,& Anti-OBAMA are all discussions that perhaps deserve their own OP's,don't ya think?This 2nd amendment argument is so complex,it really does deserve discussion on it's own.
But,one other thing I must say,between all the white noise here-I am learning & expanding my education on a huge problem,I now know what is causing alot of the confusion-I am seeing all the sides of the argument-all that is missing is common sense solutions(rox had a pretty good one some pages back though)What is the solution to help make everyone happy?

 

I have seen you say this several times. What would you propose we arm ourselves with if we did not have rifles and pistols? Swords? Bombs? Rocket launchers? You propose something such as banning the best man portable self-defense weapon and you then say we can use anything besides a firearm. What is this arm that we don't use now but can defend against tyranny?

 

Just an comment; I was invited to go to a shooting range to get a perspective on how responsible "gun owners" feel-you know,entering their territory-so,in the spirit of expanding my horizons, I went to our local shooting range with a friend --walked in the door-there were anti-OBAMA posters on the wall & I mean,vile anti-OBAMA posters-they were selling F***k OBAMA pins for $5-Now, I ask-how does this help to finding a solution-if this is what the NRA is pushing as far as their attitude is concerned-NO THANK YOU---I turned around & left--Oh,I got a perspective all right-that this particular NRA group anyway-is fueling hatred for our POTUS & any kind of compromise---now I'm back to I don't give a twiddly dink if gun owners feelings are hurt because of tougher gun laws--Discusting--discusting---

 

Excellent exposure of hypocrisy. The look to bash the gov't at every step, but when we point out their beloved military is part of that big bad gubmint...............suddenly they are all open arms to gov't entities!

It would be like me claiming that ice cream tastes horrible, all the while feed my face full of ice cream. It wouldn't make sense, but it sure would add some much needed comedic relief! And its free!

 

Absolutely and since not one person could show me the difference, all the while claiming I was just making stuff up....................no wonder I had to keep asking the same question that no one was willing to answer. I know its complicated! It took me all of a few nanoseconds, but some are a little slower!

I don't care what you arm yourself with..............because the point is that limiting AW still gives you the ability to exercise your 2nd amendment right by purchasing/owning the weapons that are not banned; no matter of the arm du jour you choose.

So, how is limiting the weapons you can own completely removing your right to own/purchase the guns that are not banned? HINT: It doesn't, but the GOP/CON/REP/ and some Libertarians are either not aware of the difference(which makes the ignorant) or they are aware of the difference, but just don't want to admit it(which makes them deceptive).

So which is it???