One of my technicians just died of Covid

Why? Is it more likely in a world of almost 8 billion people? Your "statistics" are lamentable.

BTW, my wife knows (in the sense that she has met them at some point in her life and knows who they are) 4, 3 of them in the same city. One of them was my technician. Is that more or less likely in your pseudo-stastical world?

Obviously you don't live in Florida.

 

Both of them dying is unusual, but sadly not out of the question with the delta strain.

 

Two middle aged people, back to back. It defies the odds and the math is unlikely. Sorry, but that's a fact. One death? Very much believable. Two? That's a stretch.

 

Declining vaccination is NOT "trumpian:. He got us the vaccines for God's sake. Just Saturday night he encouraged a crowd of 40k+ to get vaccinated. And, yes, some booed him.

I'm sorry to hear of your friend's death.

 

Yes. Not just in my country, in my county. A friend's grandparents in my city died within three days of each other, and the fathers of two friends. Their story made the local news. The Facebook page of the grandfather was very sad. Both followed all the guidelines and rarely went out. The wife got symptoms first and was admitted to hospital. The husband posted daily about how worried he was about his wife and posted several messages pleading to his friends please wear a mask and take this virus seriously. Shortly after he got symptoms. Both died within a couple of weeks of his wife being admitted. They were both in their sixties. In the other cases, one father had other problems which would have contributed, the other one fairly healthily but both were around 80

 

Me too.

I don't really get how some people can just live in their pretend world and ignore everything that disproves their position. It's weird. I'd like to not have my bills exist. Think I can just pretend they don't?

 

It's not an assumption. The patient did have his phone charger and his battery died. That's the reason these people started the campaign to obtain phone chargers.

You are reading that incorrectly.

"This is the person closest to me who has died of COVID." means the speaker (@Golem) may know of others that have died of COVID but his connection to those people is farther apart than his connection with his former employee.

I know 3 people that died of COVID. Two were family members. One was a neighbor in my building. I was closer to my neighbor than I was to those two family family members. I wasn't extremely close to my neighbor but we were cordial.

[This is why I believe laws should be changed regarding same sex marriage and "next of kin" rules in medical power of attorney, but that's a different topic.].

 

One of the great thing about facts is that they don't require you to believe them in order to be true. They also don't restrict themselves to the limits of your knowledge. I have little expectation that you will admit you are wrong, so I'm going to limit the effort to one post.

These two deaths are fairly recent: A 27 year old forklift driver and a 38 year old woman with no underlying health conditons. There will be others.

As for hospitalizations, this data is several weeks and several thousand cases out of date, but the percentages have remained fairly consistent (page 14). Over 20% of hospitalizations are for under 30s and about 50% for under 50s. The 20-29 age group alone accounts for 17.5%.

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/covid-surveillance-report-20210820.pdf

So, believe me, don't believe me, up to you. The facts are clear. This strain hospitalizes & kills healthy people under 40.

 

AKS, why is that not believable? I only read the message you responded to. Is there something else in this thread that makes @bigfella's comments suspect?

 

Weak at best? Somewhat depends on how you look at it, but back in June: "All but one of the 39 congressional districts where at least 60 percent of residents have received a coronavirus shot are represented by Democrats, according to a Harvard University analysis that presents one of the most detailed looks yet at the partisan split behind the nation’s diverging vaccination drive. By contrast, Republicans represent all but two of the 30 districts where fewer than one-third of residents have received a shot." The partisan divide in vaccinations is starker than you realize - POLITICO

So... not the whole story, but living in a republican area is very strongly correlated with delays/refusals for vaccination. It could also be that even if somebody is a democrat, they get a lot more negative messaging about vaccination if they live in a republican area than if they live in a democrat area and that would weaken the apparent link if looked at with other data.

 

You pretend Christians are horrible people.

 

To know 3 people of the 600 thousand dead in a country with 300 million people seems pretty unlikely.

 

I'm guessing that your county had a higher per capita death count than the national per capita death count.

 

No. Hampshire has a lower per capita death count than the national per capital death count

 

Your use of stats is what is wrong.

One poster may know three who died. Two other posters may not know any that died. This gives an average of each poster knowing one person that died. Do you think that knowing one person that died is unlikely?

 

It makes no difference. Anti-vaxxers (by which I mean those who promote the propaganda) are almost exclusively trumpists. Its most prominent leaders most definitely are. Trump, as President, made no attempt whatsoever to stop the current anti-vaxxer movement from happening. In fact, he helped give it legs by taking his own shot in secret.

Thank you. But he wasn't exactly my friend. He just worked for me.

 

Golem, please explain to me why you can't accept that Trump didn't CAUSE OR CREATE the anti-vax movement?

I could understand your point if you said that he's a stupid, selfish, ignorant jerk with no morals and ethics so he's too self-centered to help promote the vaccine to get more people to accept it. I'd agree with that in a nanosecond.

 

Great anecdote. I know several people who have gotten covid and got over covid without any side effects.

Not going to make a thread about it.

 

the new strain of the engineered virus is more contagious and given that, more folks with co-morbidities will catch it. What more can be said???? How about the truth?

How about admitting that it was engineered and nobody has a clue as to what it will do next.

 

We can hope that as our immune systems evolve with this new virus that we naturally just get better at fighting it and it becomes less of a concern, I guess. That and the potency of the virus hopefully lessens as it continues to evolve. Or maybe we create a 1 shot kill vaccine that ends this thing once and for all?

That's my hope anyways.

Either that or it just gets worse and worse and kills off enough of the population that it thins us out to a point where it can't spread as easily...and then dies off. Or we just die from the earth melting from global warming or China nuking everything.

 

Well isn't it obvious? He has a political agenda to push on top of the gravestones and he's not going to let anybody or facts get in the way or stop him.

 

yup

I know many who contracted the original strain, and Delta, and all had mild or no symptoms, but tested positive. That does not mean that I'm a "Covid-denier" .

It means I'm a Covid realist

 

Just curious. Who do you blame for Covid?

 

Can tell ya who I blame...

 

Do you feel responsible? The timeframe of his infection could indicate that his infection came from your employment. Sounds like there might be some exposure there.

I know quite a few folks who have been fully vaccinated and have also now contracted covid. None have died. But then, none of them are in the high mortality demographics.

These kinds of stories are designed to stoke emotionalism to overcome logic problems in the narrative. I'm fully vaccinated. I got vaccinated under the impression that being vaccinated was the key to moving past danger. IE, not being able to become infected, (remember 97% effective) which turns out to be BS. We had no basis for those claims of fact. And now, there is a very large number and growing number of folks who still get sick, who are still contagious , and still run the risk of dying from covid, even though they have been fully vaccinated.

No one is telling anyone not to get vaccinated, but at some point, being vaccinated cannot then be the 'you won't die" story that you're trying to tout here. This kind of narrative is supremely irresponsible in both it's content and it's intent. You should think about it next time before you post something this offensive.