Opinion: The problem with Trump’s indictment

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  1. WhoDatPhan78

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    He hasn't fallen for anything, he doesn't care whether or not it's accurate.
     
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    Are equal treatment and due process to you?
     
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    So we use our foreign aid to blackmail other countries into doing what we want?

    Did he get some sort of congressional approval or was he acting on his own?
     
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    Except statute of limitations has run out and who was defrauded?
     
  5. Bluesguy

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    And Trump was impeached for allegedly threatening to withhold allocated money. He WAS the Executive Branch. Why wasn't Biden and why shouldn’t he still be?
     
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    I love seeing all the people protesting against Trumps arraignment despite the fact that they don’t actually know what they are protesting. Of course there are the idiots protesting the protestors too. Don’t these people work? I can’t imagine wasting vacation days on this idiot or any other politician/“celeb”. To each his own I guess.
     
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    This is true. The "weak" part, is that the statute of limitations has run out-- though I admit, with extenuating circumstances-- so the DA is needing to tie the indictment, on state charges over Trump's business records, to a Federal election law felony, one that was never even prosecuted. According to Zakaria, this is a "novel legal theory," IOW: never been done before; and I think that is a valid argument that, using the law in an unusual way, in the first ever charging of a former President with a crime, cannot help but make it seem more politically motivated, than it otherwise would. The real danger with that, since these are the least serious of the potential indictments against Trump, and relatively minor in comparison with the others, is the possibility this first case, if it is thought of as manufactured, might color the public view of those other cases, as being only political hit jobs, over things that are ultimately not so important. This will not necessarily happen; but it may, which would greatly diminish the public's interest in the details of those other, future prosecutions.
     
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    I'm sorry that you need the difference about those two things explained to you.
     
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    Both were aboit withholding money already allocated. Are you denying that?
     
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    Well, good. Go ahead and convict him. I don't want him to run.

    But I will tell you, the more your party continues to pursue these cases, the more Trump supporters are going to come out of the woodwork and vote for him.

    If your candidate is Biden, a boring senile old man, there is a chance that Trump might win. Biden won't be able to hide out in his basement this time.
     
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    And yet you chime in without the same knowledge?
     
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    I'm acknowledging there are people protesting an issue they aren't fully informed on. And? Is there something you're confused about?
     
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    and still yapping..
     
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    Hahaha…you’re quite emotional over all this.
     
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    and that is the intent

    It's about Democrat control of the WH; that's all
     
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    I suspect the DA is actually hoping he can start a bandwagon that will produce evidence he doesn't have to support his strange theory that this was a violation of federal election laws and therefore a criminal conspiracy in New York. Not a huge Trump fan, but this feels a lot like the state version of the prosecution of the former Virginia governor that was unanimously reversed by the SCOTUS a decade or so ago. The lack of specificity in the indictments seems to me to suggest he doesn't have anything criminal in particular to anchor the charges.
     
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    I think we do now and protest are entirely appropriate with this political indictment and persecution Bragg is engaged.
     
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    Are you saying the charges are fake?
     
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    The Georgia election intimidation claim is weaker than the New York case.

    When people rightfully call these trials rigged, don't get mad. These trials look absolutely rigged.
     
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    Calling them felonies is erroneous. All the counts, of one charge, are misdemeanors. Trying to tie them to a non-existent crime and calling them felonies is unethical, at best.
     
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    People made blatant threats against Trump and no one was prosecuted. Why is it a problem now?
     
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    You know what is in it now, are you saying this is a strong indictment?

    Are you saying this is not purely politically motivated?

    I'm saying the statute of limitations on this minor reporting charge ran out five years ago. Why is it being pursued NOW and what is this "other crime" for which Trump has been convicted let alone even charged with he is trying to base a felony charge? Why didn't he clearly state it in the indictment? The defendant has a right to know that for which he is being charged.
     
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    Oh it is exactly the same. Bragg is trying to play judge and jury and convicting Trump of some unnamed federal crime and then using that to ramp a minor reporting misdemeanor to a felony. He should be removed from office and disbarred for abuse of prosecutorial power.
     
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    He should be charged with fraud.
     
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    Well it's not about Justice it's about the attempt to interrupt him campaigning for president.

    The interesting thing about it is I'm wondering if Republicans went behind this goofy little crusade.

    People like Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham you know the old buzzards in the Republican party hate his stinking guts. But I think this two parties idea where there's Republicans and Democrats and they're always at odds is fake. I think behind closed doors they're all buddies.

    That's your affluent class that's above the law and notice how anytime any of them come in a crime they get away with it. They might not get off completely but they won't serve any jail time.
     

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