Origin of Islam from Arianism

Discussion in 'Religion & Philosophy' started by WanRen, Oct 9, 2011.

  1. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2008
    Messages:
    14,039
    Likes Received:
    41
    Trophy Points:
    0
    So what, is that many Muslims are claiming it is so and are using it as a means to discriminate and oppressed women. That is why Sheik of al-Azhar Mohammed Sayyed Tantawi spoke out against it.

    Another interesting revelation brought out by history is that Mohammed's wife Khadija and his cousin Warqa were Nestorian-Christians this explain where Mohammed got some of his Christian stories.

    Another Arabic tradition that was incorporated into Islam is the Jiin or what we call Genie. The jiin is an Arab belief about the existence of a third spirit other than angels and devil. That is why Mohammed was very sure that the spirit that appeared to him was a jiin and it was Khadija who would convince him it was not because Khadija was a Christian who don't believe in jiins.
     
  2. Quantrill

    Quantrill New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2011
    Messages:
    3,673
    Likes Received:
    33
    Trophy Points:
    0
    There is a lot of truth in the Bible. The book of Joshua is true and accurate.

    Quantrill
     
  3. Margot

    Margot Account closed, not banned

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2010
    Messages:
    62,072
    Likes Received:
    345
    Trophy Points:
    0
    The vast majority of Muslim women in the world don't veil.

    The were Nestorian Christians and Pagans and Jews in Arabia.. but Mohammed lead camel caravans to Syria so there is no question he came in contact with other faiths.

    Most Muslims don't believe in jiins.. that goes back to pagan days, but perhaps there are some who held on to their superstitions.

    I had never heard that Khadija was a Christian... I have heard it said that she didn't believe in nor worshipped idols, which was atypical for pre-Islam Arabian culture
     
  4. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2008
    Messages:
    14,039
    Likes Received:
    41
    Trophy Points:
    0
    The Canaanite are descendant of Ham
    Genesis 10:6-20,1 Chronicles 1:8-16
    6 The sons of Ham:
    Cush, Egypt, Put and Canaan.

    7 The sons of Cush:
    Seba, Havilah, Sabtah, Raamah and Sabteka.

    The sons of Raamah:
    Sheba and Dedan.

    8 Cush was the father[a] of Nimrod, who became a mighty warrior on the earth. 9 He was a mighty hunter before the LORD; that is why it is said, “Like Nimrod, a mighty hunter before the LORD.” 10 The first centers of his kingdom were Babylon, Uruk, Akkad and Kalneh, in Shinar.[c] 11 From that land he went to Assyria, where he built Nineveh, Rehoboth Ir,[d] Calah 12 and Resen, which is between Nineveh and Calah—which is the great city.

    13 Egypt was the father of
    the Ludites, Anamites, Lehabites, Naphtuhites, 14 Pathrusites, Kasluhites (from whom the Philistines came) and Caphtorites.

    15 Canaan was the father of
    Sidon his firstborn,[e] and of the Hittites, 16 Jebusites, Amorites, Girga(*)(*)(*)(*)es, 17 Hivites, Arkites, Sinites, 18 Arvadites, Zemarites and Hamathites.

    Later the Canaanite clans scattered 19 and the borders of Canaan reached from Sidon toward Gerar as far as Gaza, and then toward Sodom, Gomorrah, Admah and Zeboyim, as far as Lasha.

    20 These are the sons of Ham by their clans and languages, in their territories and nations.

    Hebrews are descendant of Sham, Abraham Genesis 11:10 -32

    10 This is the account of Shem’s family line.
    Two years after the flood, when Shem was 100 years old, he became the father[d] of Arphaxad. 11 And after he became the father of Arphaxad, Shem lived 500 years and had other sons and daughters.

    12 When Arphaxad had lived 35 years, he became the father of Shelah. 13 And after he became the father of Shelah, Arphaxad lived 403 years and had other sons and daughters.[e]

    14 When Shelah had lived 30 years, he became the father of Eber. 15 And after he became the father of Eber, Shelah lived 403 years and had other sons and daughters.

    16 When Eber had lived 34 years, he became the father of Peleg. 17 And after he became the father of Peleg, Eber lived 430 years and had other sons and daughters.

    18 When Peleg had lived 30 years, he became the father of Reu. 19 And after he became the father of Reu, Peleg lived 209 years and had other sons and daughters.

    20 When Reu had lived 32 years, he became the father of Serug. 21 And after he became the father of Serug, Reu lived 207 years and had other sons and daughters.

    22 When Serug had lived 30 years, he became the father of Nahor. 23 And after he became the father of Nahor, Serug lived 200 years and had other sons and daughters.

    24 When Nahor had lived 29 years, he became the father of Terah. 25 And after he became the father of Terah, Nahor lived 119 years and had other sons and daughters.

    26 After Terah had lived 70 years, he became the father of Abram, Nahor and Haran.

    Abram’s Family

    27 This is the account of Terah’s family line.
    Terah became the father of Abram, Nahor and Haran. And Haran became the father of Lot. 28 While his father Terah was still alive, Haran died in Ur of the Chaldeans, in the land of his birth. 29 Abram and Nahor both married. The name of Abram’s wife was Sarai, and the name of Nahor’s wife was Milkah; she was the daughter of Haran, the father of both Milkah and Iskah. 30 Now Sarai was childless because she was not able to conceive.

    31 Terah took his son Abram, his grandson Lot son of Haran, and his daughter-in-law Sarai, the wife of his son Abram, and together they set out from Ur of the Chaldeans to go to Canaan. But when they came to Harran, they settled there.

    32 Terah lived 205 years, and he died in Harran.

    God will bless Sara with a son his name will be Isaac.
     
  5. Margot

    Margot Account closed, not banned

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2010
    Messages:
    62,072
    Likes Received:
    345
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Except neither town that Joshua claimed to have conquered existed for several hundred years into the future.
     
  6. Mehmet

    Mehmet New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2011
    Messages:
    605
    Likes Received:
    10
    Trophy Points:
    0
    evolution refers to any kind of gradual change.
    for a gradual change, you must have an ongoing
    process prior to that.

    http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/2236-ba-al-and-ba-al-worship

    look at the end (short passage about islam).
    according to you, is the information written there true?
     
  7. Margot

    Margot Account closed, not banned

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2010
    Messages:
    62,072
    Likes Received:
    345
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Baal was THE God in the Canaanite pantheon.. a lesser god was Yamm or Yam as in Yam Suf.. as in the Reed Sea.
     
  8. Mehmet

    Mehmet New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2011
    Messages:
    605
    Likes Received:
    10
    Trophy Points:
    0
    i know it is also mentioned in the qur'an.

    37:125-126
    "Do you call upon Ba'l and leave the best of creators -
    Allah, your Lord and the Lord of your first forefathers?"
     
  9. Margot

    Margot Account closed, not banned

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2010
    Messages:
    62,072
    Likes Received:
    345
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Problem is that the Natufians people were all over Galillee and Jericho long before and during the flood.. dating back 1i,000 years.
     
  10. Quantrill

    Quantrill New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2011
    Messages:
    3,673
    Likes Received:
    33
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Sorry, they did exist. The mistake and lie is on your end.

    Quantrill
     
  11. Quantrill

    Quantrill New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2011
    Messages:
    3,673
    Likes Received:
    33
    Trophy Points:
    0
    No, the problem is you said the Hebrews were Cananites, and they arn't.

    Quantrill
     
  12. Margot

    Margot Account closed, not banned

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2010
    Messages:
    62,072
    Likes Received:
    345
    Trophy Points:
    0
  13. Quantrill

    Quantrill New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2011
    Messages:
    3,673
    Likes Received:
    33
    Trophy Points:
    0
  14. Margot

    Margot Account closed, not banned

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2010
    Messages:
    62,072
    Likes Received:
    345
    Trophy Points:
    0
  15. Quantrill

    Quantrill New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2011
    Messages:
    3,673
    Likes Received:
    33
    Trophy Points:
    0
  16. Margot

    Margot Account closed, not banned

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2010
    Messages:
    62,072
    Likes Received:
    345
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Its fiction..

    The Hebrews were just a landless subset of Canaanites.

    The Canaanites were settled, sophisticated and urban..

    GENESIS 38:2 And Judah saw there a daughter of a certain Canaanite, whose name was Shuah; and he took her, and went in to her.

    Simon, apostle of Christ was a Canaanite.

    GENESIS 46:10 And the sons of Simeon; Jemuel, and Jamin, and Ohad, and Jachin, and Zohar, and Shaul the son of a Canaanite woman

    JUDGES 1:29 Neither did Ephraim drive out the Canaanites that lived in Gezer; but the Canaanites lived in Gezer among them.
    JUDGES 1:30 Neither did Zebulun drive out the inhabitants of Kitron, nor the inhabitants of Nahalol; but the Canaanites lived among them, and became tributaries.
    JUDGES 1:32 But the Asherites lived among the Canaanites, the inhabitants of the land: for they did not drive them out.
    JUDGES 1:33 Neither did Naphtali drive out the inhabitants of Bethshemesh, nor the inhabitants of Bethanath; but he lived among the Canaanites
     
  17. Quantrill

    Quantrill New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2011
    Messages:
    3,673
    Likes Received:
    33
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Fiction? Really? And all this time you claimed to be Christian.

    No, its true and accurate and the Word of God.

    Quantrill
     
  18. Margot

    Margot Account closed, not banned

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2010
    Messages:
    62,072
    Likes Received:
    345
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Israel was just a family name..
     
  19. Quantrill

    Quantrill New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2011
    Messages:
    3,673
    Likes Received:
    33
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Yes, the family of the nation Israel.

    Quantrill
     
  20. Margot

    Margot Account closed, not banned

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2010
    Messages:
    62,072
    Likes Received:
    345
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Its no different than saying the Sioux nation..

    They were just another Canaanite tribe.

    Even Judah had a Canaanite wife.
     
  21. Quantrill

    Quantrill New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2011
    Messages:
    3,673
    Likes Received:
    33
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Sorry, Israel came from Abraham. Abraham was not a Cananite. Remember?

    Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Jacobs name was changed by God to Israel. Israel had 12 sons, each of which was a tribe in Israel. See? No Cannanites.

    Quantrill
     
  22. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2008
    Messages:
    14,039
    Likes Received:
    41
    Trophy Points:
    0
    A Romeo and Juliet story, a Muslim princess and a Catholic Count, they love each other so much that when the last Muslim army was driven out of Portugal, Fatima chose to stay with her beloved Catholic lover. The Count love her so much that he rename the village after her, Fatima.

    Coincidentally, the apparition of the Blessed Mary will occur at that area in the village of Fatima.

    Archbishop Sheen in 1952 in his book "The World's First Love" marvels at how enthusiastically Muslims receive the pilgrim statute of Our Lady of Fatima when it visits Islamic countries.
     
  23. Margot

    Margot Account closed, not banned

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2010
    Messages:
    62,072
    Likes Received:
    345
    Trophy Points:
    0
    There was no Ur of the Chaldees in Abraham's day.. so that gets a little tricky.

    There are many, many anachronisms in the Bible.


    http://www.politicalforum.com/religion/226698-conquering-canaan.html
     
  24. Quantrill

    Quantrill New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2011
    Messages:
    3,673
    Likes Received:
    33
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Gen.11:31 And Terah took Abram his son, and Lot the son of Haran his son's son, and Sarai his daughter in law, his son Abram's wife; and they went forth with them from Ur of the Chaldees, to go into the land of Canaan;...

    The Bible disagrees with you. What a surprise.

    Quantrill
     
  25. MrConservative

    MrConservative Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2011
    Messages:
    1,681
    Likes Received:
    28
    Trophy Points:
    48
    The author is referring to a past event, while giving the city a name in its current present tense.
     

Share This Page