Origin of Islam from Arianism

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  1. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

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    Some historians indicate that, others say it was nestorians. At the same time if we look at what is an Ebionite, they are Jewish-Christians who follow only the writings of Matthew.

    Muslim scholars and none Muslims scholars agree that Khadija was the first Muslim convert, the question is converted from what? She was for sure not a follower of the Arab idolatry religion, and she can't be an atheist because she believe in the angel Gabriel so that leaves only two possibility (1) Christian (2) Jewish

    I don't see why Muslim are concern to admit that Khadija was once a Christian or Jewish, because it would not matter because she converted to Islam anyway. By not establishing clearly what her beliefs are it only opens speculation and put doubts on Muslim scholars.

    There are too many revelations in the Quran that are too much related to early Christian heretical claims against the church such as the Trinity, Deity of Jesus Christ and the status of Mary.

    Ironically, the Quran just like the Christian heretics claim that the church worship Mary, when in fact that was not the case all of the council meetings never did they establish that Christians should worship Mary what was establish was Mary's special status as the mother of Jesus Christ, a sinless person that was chosen by God to be blessed and holy not HOLY as a God by holy because of her sinless-ness and her obedient to bare witness to the life and mission of Jesus Christ. But as we can see and read the Quran specifically mention about Mary being worship by Christians, because that claim was from the heretics.

    If Allah does not want Mary to be treated with special status it would have been reveal that way instead it was reveal as worship. Also Allah would have known that Christians never said worship Mary. So why would Allah say worship?

    Sura 5:115 - 116 And behold! God will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of God'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.

    This site that talk about Waraqa IMO is not complete
    http://islamic-replies.ucoz.com/2/What_About_Waraqa.html

    According to establish historians Waraqa was a monk, he was not just a Christian but a monk, now to be a monk means extensive education to the scriptures.
     
  2. Mehmet

    Mehmet New Member

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    still not reading.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanif

    because we like to speak the truth
    instead of assuming imaginary things.

    chrstians came to our prophet (saw) and asked after this revelation:

    9:31
    They have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah,
    and [also] the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded
    except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He
    above whatever they associate with Him.

    they did not object to the messiah (pbuh) and mary (pbuh) parts.
    what they said was:

    - but we don't worship "scholars or monks"?
    and our prophet (saw) said:
    - you do as they say, whatever they made halaal (permissible) for you,
    you considered it halaal, whatever you made haraam (forbidden) for you,
    you considered it haraam. that's making them your lords.

    (source: tirmidhi)

    "erbaben" is the word used there.
    the plural of the root word "rab".

    rab means master.

    many times in the qur'an Allah is addressed as
    the only Rab, the master, the only one who puts commands,
    the only one who teaches and shows you the guided way.

    not anyone else.

    christians made rabs from scholars and councils.
    they do as they say,
    they believe as they say,
    they worship as they say,
    not as Allah commands.

    prophet muhammad (saw) explained that they have taken them as their
    lords by following their religious rulings blindly and disregarded the true
    ruling of Allah.

    it is evident that to accept anyone's religious verdicts blindly
    is a form of shirk.

    the clergy and their distorted doctrines has come between you and Allah.
    christianity has become a religion made by men, decided by men.

    that's going against the will of Allah,
    your God and mine.

    the whole qur'an is about worshiping Allah alone.
    read the qur'an. cover to cover.

    theories.

    Although the Catholics and the Orthodox may honor and venerate
    Mary, they do not view her as divine, nor do they worship her.
    Catholics view Mary as subordinate to Christ, but uniquely so, in
    that she is seen as above all other creatures. Similarly Theologian
    Sergei Bulgakov wrote that although the Orthodox view Mary as
    "superior to all created beings" and "ceaselessly pray for her intercession"
    she is not considered a "substitute for the One Mediator" who is Christ.
    "Let Mary be in honor, but let worship be given to the Lord" he wrote.
    Similarly, Catholics do not worship Mary, but venerate her. Catholics use the
    term hyperdulia for Marian veneration rather than latria that applies to God
    and dulia for other saints. The definition of the three level hierarchy of
    latria, hyperdulia and dulia goes back to the Second Council of Nicaea in 787.​

    no mediator.
    no intercessor.
    without the permission of Allah.

    only pray to Allah.
    do as your creator tells you.

    simple.
     
  3. Margot

    Margot Account closed, not banned

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    And?

    All of your notions are simply guess work..

    The Nestorians in Arabia were located in Najran and in Tarut Island.. hundreds of miles from Mecca and Medina.

    The Arabs have a great deal of folklore about Adam and Eve, Abraham and Ishmael.

    In fact, mother Eve was supposedly buried in Jidda.
     
  4. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

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    Yes, guess works, you said it many folklore and because Islamic history is incomplete it leaves many blank holes for readers to fill on their own.

     
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    FYI....................
     

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