Ah, more ducking and weaving! From several blocks away? Sure. You can be first. An average city block ranges from 260 to 410 feet. Let's split the difference and use 335 feet. Source. Let's assume several blocks means two blocks. 335 feet * 2 = 670 feet or 223 yards. A S&W 60-9 has a 2 1/8" barrel. As you can see from this chart, initial velocities are at around 1000 fps. As you can see from this graph, out of a 2" barrel, you can't even get 400 foot pounds of energy from a .357. Those figures are at the muzzle. Still want to claim a .357 magnum bullet will pass through 2 or 3 people at 220+ yards from a 2" barrel? First rule when you find yourself in a hole is to stop digging.
Might as well stick with reality. Most people carry a 4"-5" barrel in 9mm and a snubnose in .357 and 9mm+P for carry. Both have about the same muzzle energy with the same weight bullet.
Do you ALWAYS lie this much? Seriously. First you falsely accuse me of distorting what you said and now you're accusing me of skewing the data. Go back and look. I stated quite clearly my wife has a .357 S&W model 60-9. It was after that that you started whining about .357s being able to pass through 2 to 3 people blocks away. Care to guess how long that barrel is? 2 1/8". She has a 6" S&W 686+ that is more accurate and holds two more rounds, but is a lot more unwieldy and a lot heavier. You did remember we're talking about concealed carry weapons, right?
I would rather nobody know I am armed until I want them to know I am armed. Let them guess who is carrying and who isn't. Why make the criminal's job easier?
I believe open carry puts the carrier at a larger tactical disadvantage than is offset by the presence of the firearm.
Haha! I like where that's coming from. And. We need to take steps to get our freedoms back. Making it legal to open carry would be a great deterrent from criminals and also authorities. We all respect each other and treat each other with respect.
Treating others with respect because they are carrying a gun? I would much rather live in a world where I am not fearful of a person with a gun and I treat them respectfully because of that firearm.
Here in Colorado it is legal to open carry. You see it once in a while. I was in Phoenix recently and it was pretty prevalent there.
And I would like to live in a world where we can all discuss things openly and kindly with each other, liberal to conservative to libertarian to buddhist to catholic to islam to jewish..., in a world where we didn't need to drop nuclear weapons on anyone, in a world where 20 men won't hijack jets to crash into buildings, in a world where a person won't shoot me just for my Nike's, in a world were we can learn to disagree with harmony. But it ain't gonna happen. Sadly.
The new mantra: We believe in the second amendment. We don't want to ban guns. We just want to ban scary looking guns, semi-automatic guns, magazines, ammunition, open carry, conceal carry, etc..
Difference being, I do live in a world where I do not need to intimidate someone with a firearm to experience simple human decency.
Well played sir. It all rather is a state of mind, a point of view if you will. And that is what makes our great nation Great! There are others who have not experienced human decency as you put it. A recent tragic example are those that were murdered in Colorado.
None of which address the superiority complex in asserting that it would be really cool for people to be scared of each other enough to treat each other respectfully for no other reason than the pistol on the hip. Sorry, carrying a gun is not to intimidate other people. Any claim otherwise makes us all look bad.
I suppose a criminal (they are people too) seeing an open carry weapon could be intimidated. And I see and agree with your point!
Maybe. However it also puts a target on your back "kill me first, with the security guards!". If I am going to carry a gun, no one can see it. Joys of an M&P40 sub compact.
If a thief had to choose between a nice house set in the suburbs and the other has tall grass and two engine blocks dangling from a tree, which one would he break into? If he suspected he'd meet with resistance either way, he'd move on. Not knowing for sure is more important to keeping the thief out. Of course having a couple of dogs around that you feed raw meat to every couple of days doesn't hurt either
True, however that is different from a situation where you are in a crowd with an exposed weapon. You will stick out, and may stick out to the wrong persons. If you carry concealed, you blend into the crowd. Giving you the element of surprise if need be.
no doubt about that. when it comes down to the meat of the matter, the CCP automatically has the tactical advantage.
The problem with this is that criminals can then see who has a gun and who doesn't. You remove the most beneficial part of handgun carry, crime deterrent. Also, I very much doubt that criminals will obey such a law. You also have all the anti-gun people now forced to see every gun being carried, and they'll probably get all intimidated and run home in a panic to avoid the shoot-out.
