Palestinian incitement to terror

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  1. Grau

    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Even though National Socialist Germany did more than any other country I can think of to establish Israel(*), I don't understand which Double Standard you mean.

    Please clarify.



    (*). "The Transfer Agreement: The Untold Story of the Secret Pact Between the Third Reich and Jewish Palestine"
    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/revi...-untold-story-secret-pact-between-third-reich

    EXCERPT "Meanwhile Zionist leadership and the Third Reich agreed on arrangements whereby German Jews could emigrate to Palestine under somewhat more favorable financial conditions and whereby German trade with Palestinian Jewry would increase." CONTINUED
     
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    Now clarified.
     
  3. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    Here's a map of the countries that recognize Palestine as a state:
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    Also, the UN recognizes that Palestine is a state as they have admitted Palestine as an observer state.
     
  4. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's because the Jews during world war II were literally fighting against their own extermination. The Palestinians today? Not really.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Until the Palestinians stop terrorism against civilians, they will never have a real state.

    Some could argue they don't really want one.
     
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    What are you suggesting that they should do?

    Remember that Hamas in Gaza actually agreed to become part of the Abbas unified government.

    Abbas has been a strong champion of nonviolence for more than 2 decades now. This move would have removed Hamas from power in Gaza. For example, fees for crossing the Gaza border would no longer go to Hamas and Hamas would no longer be the organization tending to the needs of Gazans.

    - The successful opposition to this reduction of Hamas was ... ISRAEL! Israel blocked Abbas from Gaza and has serious other travel and trade exclusions. Israel refuses to even TALK about the issues with Gaza.

    - The Abbas movement AGAINST violence in West Bank has gained him NOTHING.

    From their actions, it is crystal clear that it is Israel the is totally uninterested in peace of any kind.
     
  7. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If the Palestinians committed to a nonviolent resistance they would probably have their own state within 5 years. The world would force Israel to do it. IF the Palestinians committed to nonviolent protest and resistance against the occupation.
     
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    When did Hitler ever become the standard for ANYTHING?

    How in good conscience do YOU invoke Hitler?

    Let's remember that the USA held a REVOLUTION over lack of representation.

    And, that is the very LEAST of Israel's action in Palestine. That's before even considering their humanitarian atrocities.
     
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    Abbas has been committed to nonviolent resolution for more than 20 years.

    And, the US blocks the western world from contributing to peace in ANY WAY.

    Do not give me that 5 year stuff. You KNOW that is total bs.
     
  10. Thingamabob

    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah, sure :lick:
     
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    The Palestinian people have never committed to non-violence against the Israelis.

    Even if Fatah doesn't attack, Hamas & Islamic Jihad and PFLP does. They seem to never be able to agree on peaceful resistance.
     
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    Again, Israel blocked Hamas from acceding to the Abbas unity government which has nonviolence as a central required precept.

    You can't hold Abbas responsible for acts by those over which he has no control.

    In fact, Abbas has gained the trust of the Israeli military to the extend that they gave Abbas arms so that he would have some relatively small ability to control terrorism.

    You are making seriously ridiculous excuses.

    Lack of representation caused our forebears to declare war against England, a revolution that is our founding.

    Now, you whine about Abbas? Seriously?
     
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    Did Hamas ever commit to non-violence against Israel? Nope.
     
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    Hamas committed to the Abbas unity government, which has non-violence as a principle foundation and put West Bank in significant control of Gaza. Hamas has gone through periods of being exceptionally weak.

    So, you are just flat out wrong here.

    The problem that ensued was that Netanyahu strongly opposed there being a unity government, and he successfully worked to defeat that government.

    From the very start, Hamas has ceded Abbas the right to negotiations, the outcome of which Hamas stated that they would be committed. So, this isn't some new aspect.

    Hamas CAN be had. But, Israel has shown NO interest in that outcome.
     
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    Yes: "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter." has certainly been the case in the Levant.

    There can be no doubt that Israel's Sharon, Begin and Shamir were among the most ruthless mass murders of their era yet, in Israel, they were elected to the highest of offices and repeatedly invited to America's White House.

    Meanwhile, I can promise you that it will snow in hell before a genuine leader of Palestine's native residents sets foot in America's White House.

    Thanks,
     
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    Arafat visited the White House and Camp David.
     
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    The US has been courting and creating fascists & despots since Eisenhower left office. Men such as Fulgencio Batista, the Shah of Iran, Ngo Dinh Diem, Manuel Noriega ..... the list is long.
    Genuine leaders cannot be corrupted. They are the few men who make decisions based on experience, intelligence, and sound advice. The US befriends only those who take orders ............ theirs'.
     
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    The point being? Let grammar guide your reply.
     
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    The Jews still kill far more Palestinian children than Palestinians kill Jews.... while the Jews in Israel have ethnically cleansed 100,000's of Arabs of their land and have been crossing their border to remove Arabs from there too. The Jews of Israel have relentlessly been doing this since day 1. About all the Israeli Jews help out that by joining their army. And it's done because the Israeli Jews have voted for this for 75 years straight. Israeli Jewish polls show their is a fast support to discriminate Arabs, to the point that almost have want them to be ethnically cleansed out of Israel. It's clear that war crimes and crimes against humanity means nothing for the Israeli Jews on average through their own actions.

    And after 75 years straight of this, some radicals start to wonder if Hitler knew this while others start losing the argument against this. It is only getting worse with each post of some pro Jewish Israeli refusing to admit to the reality of who has been fanatically oppressing who for 75 years based on ethnic religious ideals.

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    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.or...h-population-of-israel-palestine-1517-present
    Jewish & Non-Jewish Population of Israel/Palestine:
    1947: Jews 630,000 / Arabs 1,324,000
    1948: Jews 716,700 / Arabs 156,000
     
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    Again, more evidence of anti-Zionism just turning into anti-Semitism and praise for Hitler and Nazism. Makes one wonder if its really possible to separate the two.
     
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    Fraudulent map. Map #1 shows Palestinian owned land and State owned land as the same entity. They are not. The map is a lie.

    For example, almost 80% of the Negev was state owned, not private property. Your map is a fraud.
     
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    That's just a personal attack for criticizing for what the Israeli Jewish population has FACTUALLY done as a MAJORITY for the last 75 YEARS.
     
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    Non private land was owned by the state, with a massive clear Arab majority, where Arab nomads were using it. Hence it's Arab. And according to the utterly bias Jews themselves, the Arab population got just decimated. And so the reality is undoubtingly far worse. And that data goes hand in hand with the map. There is nothing fraudulent about it.

    This is just fanatic pro Jewish Israeli way of denying the nakba.
     
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    Until the Jews stop ethnic cleansing Arabs and return the property they thieved, they will never get rid of living in the most condemned nation on the planet year after year.
     
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    What do you mean by "the most condemned nation"? Is there an annual consensus taken?
     
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