I never said it was illegal, I stated that settling Israelis on occupied Palestinian land is illegal which it is, you should try reading what I actually wrote kid.
Your Islamofascist brethren CharlieChalk lied that the UN declared occupation illegal. I was addressing his lie.
Weren't these Jews themselves Arabs? In any case surely most of present day Jerusalem has been built by Israelis? I'm flattered with your particular interest in my views! Well I'm not much for such hypothetical constructions however the first option sounds much the best!
No you were answering me and insulted me and claimed some bullcrap that I sated that the occupation was illegal,which I did not,you are just another dummy for israel.
I was responding to Charlie's statement when you came to his defense with an unrelated claim. I am glad we can agree that the occupation is legal and Charlie lied though.
I did not come to his defence, I stated that settling occupied land is illegal,which it is and you got all (*)(*)(*)(*)ty about it and insulted me because you cannot handle the actual truth.
The Security Council, Recalling its resolution 476 (1980), Reaffirming again that the acquisition of territory by force is inadmissible, Deeply concerned over the enactment of a "basic law" in the Israeli Knesset proclaiming a change in the character and status of the Holy City of Jerusalem, with its implications for peace and security, Noting that Israel has not complied with resolution 476 (1980), Reaffirming its determination to examine practical ways and means, in accordance with the relevant provisions of the Charter of the United Nations, to secure the full implementation of its resolution 476 (1980), in the event of non-compliance by Israel, 1. Censures in the strongest terms the enactment by Israel of the "basic law" on Jerusalem and the refusal to comply with relevant Security Council resolutions; 2. Affirms that the enactment of the "basic law" by Israel constitutes a violation of international law and does not affect the continued application of the Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War, of 12 August 1949, in the Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied since June 1967, including Jerusalem; 3. Determines that all legislative and administrative measures and actions taken by Israel, the occupying Power, which have altered or purport to alter the character and status of the Holy City of Jerusalem, and in particular the recent "basic law" on Jerusalem, are null and void and must be rescinded forthwith; 4. Affirms also that this action constitutes a serious obstruction to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East; 5. Decides not to recognize the "basic law" and such other actions by Israel that, as a result of this law, seek to alter the character and status of Jerusalem and calls upon: (a) All Member States to accept this decision Israel is rogue and about to start what destroys them all there will be no israel unless they leave the 'holy city' any bets , . ? .? oooops, almost forgot. Borat, you were just caught in a fib and insulting people too?!?!?!? ... naughty naughty
The Balfour Declaration its self does not give Jewish people a legal right to 'own'/'possess' Israel. It is devoid of legitimacy. It was actually the Bedoiun who should have had that land rightfully and legally. Balfour was just a knee jerk and foolish pledge ............ It was the real tragedy of the last Century.
Indeed occupations are legal, as are the efforts to resist those occupations. And if the occupying power places settlers on occupied land since thats an illegal act then all protections afforded to people acting legally are no longer in effect.
Um no, there certainly were/ are jewish arabs, but jerusalem is mainly built by the palestinians. Im interested in your views because although mainly pro israel youre not a dummy. Given your answer that the first option sounds the best, why are you not in favour of palestinians having better weapons instead? Surely this would cause only military casualties which we could both agree is appropriate.. Or is it just that you think Palestinians are the essential and ongoing cause of the problems and therefore stopping them would stop everything else?
At the same time for the last 40 years the illegal war wage by Palestinians against the legitimate State of Israel gave Israel the legal right to defend itself.
Israelis do not respond kindly to threats. They have been dealing with people all around in the last 100 years with those threats. You are no different. I was hoping that 100 years of futile war mongering by Arabs would teach them something, but as I see, some people just never learn.
1. The Jews who lived in this area, had never identified themselves as Arabs. So I see no reason you would try to convert them now. Only a tiny part of Jerusalem was build by Arabs. True it was ruled by Arabs, but even when the Turks ruled there, the majority of the citizens were Jews.
Wrong, there is no blanket legitimacy for resistance efforts as implied. Neither is there any clause making people outlaws! Where do you get such ideas?
Jews in the area before 1948 were referred to as Palestinians and by about 1850, Jews were the majority in Jerusalem until the Muslims drove many of them from jerusalem
OK, help me out, during which period are you regarding Jerusalem to have been mostly built by the Palestinians and how are you defining a Palestinian in this period? So you regard pro Israelis as dummies. Palestinians have shown a complete lack of respect for basic human dignity in their struggle for a nation state which sees the end justifying the means. Therefore I dispute emphatically your assertion that better weapons would result in only military casualties. We have already seen the result of better weapons, the Iranian missiles only resulting in the targetting of larger civilian populations far from shifting the threat from civilian to military casualities. I think the Palestinians have played for very high stakes with scant regard for basic modern morals encouraged by wider Arab and Islamic supranationalistic movements in league with misguided leftwingers in the liberal democracies of the West. The result has been a disaster for them so far. Through it all they have desperately lacked good leadership. The essential problem is the gulf between Palestinian and Israeli aspirations and the lack of serious resolve by the worlds major powers to force a resolution upon them.
Not only that... but I am bringing o be perused the blow by blow of the situation prevailing right now by one of the best journalist in Israel... Here goes... November 18, 2012 "Fighting on All Fronts" I've alluded to some of this already, but want to return to look in some more detail at the various "fronts" we are dealing with in this conflict. I wrote yesterday about the fact that Hamas fights "dirty," and that we will never lower ourselves to their level. But what we do have to do is contend with that dirty fighting. There are two aspects to this. The first is the use of human shields -- the storage in and launching of rockets from civilian areas, which puts Israel in the impossible position of either avoiding air attack on certain sites or risking considerable civilian damage. This, in spite of surgical strikes, warnings to the populace, etc. As The Israel Project put it: "Hamas has turned hospitals, homes, schools, and mosques into military bases..." See here rockets being fired from a civilian area: Credit: Brucesmideastsoundbites An enormous amount of intelligence work by Israel went into locating the sites of rocket storage. We know where the rockets, especially long-range rockets, and missiles are. They are not "hidden," in that sense. But this human shield aspect makes taking them out sometimes very difficult. ~~~~~~~~~~ The simple logic of the situation tell me that this is why we've amassed troops and tanks at the Gaza border. Not for an escalated operation intended to take down Hamas completely or re-take Gaza, but because it may be impossible to remove those rockets and missiles and related terrorist infrastructure by air without unacceptable levels of civilian causalities. If we cannot do what we need to do by air, we may send in troops. (More on the possibility of a ground operation below.) ~~~~~~~~~~ The other part of the "dirty" fighting is utilization by Hamas of the media and left wing NGOs to propagate images of an aggressive Israel deliberately hitting poor innocents in Gaza. Unfortunately, the media and those NGOs, substantially predisposed against Israel, are more than ready to cooperate by telling these stories, which lack balance and context. Which lie. Here is one stunning example of a lie that was believed: "A dead Gazan child, whose picture made world media headlines claiming him to be a victim of an Israeli airstrike, appears to have been killed by a Hamas rocket that fell short of its target, landing inside Gaza instead of Israel, according to evidence brought to light by...blogger Elder of Ziyon.[http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com] "...International publications including CNN and Britain’s Mirror ran the tragic images of Egypt’s Prime Minister Hisham Kandil, Hamas terror chief Ismail Haniyeh and others cradling the dead child, and the media outlets explicitly blamed Israel for the child’s death. "'Egypt’s Prime Minister wept today as he kissed the forehead of a boy killed in an Israeli airstrike on Gaza,' reads the Mirror’s caption under the photo. CNN reporter Sara Sidner referred to the boy as 'another victim of an [Israeli] air strike.'" But when Yiftah Shapir, a ballistics expert who is the Director of the Middle East Military Balance Project at the Institute for National Security Studies in Israel, studied CNN's video footage of the explosion, what he saw were "a lot of small holes." "It is reasonable to say that this damage is from a relatively small explosion at close range...If it was a very heavy bomb the damage would be worse, and at long range the shrapnel would be spread much more widely because of the long distance." The IDF denies that it had carried out any strikes at the time the child was hit, in the area where he was. http://www.algemeiner.com/2012/11/1...el-was-actually-killed-by-hamas-rocket-video/ Please see at the bottom of this Algemeiner piece a video of the vile anti-Israel CNN report. ~~~~~~~~~~ This tactic enormously exacerbates diplomatic pressure on Israel. People believe what they are reading about the evils of the Israel self-defense operation and conclude that we must be forced to stop to save the poor Palestinian Arabs of Gaza. The French foreign minister, Laurent Fabius, is due here today, and UN Sec.-Gen. Ban on Wednesday. This is in addition to phone communication between Netanyahu and other leaders, most significantly President Obama and including German Chancellor Andrea Merkel. And there's more to come, rest assured. ~~~~~~~~~~ Israel has been waging a PR war of its own, and putting out videos presenting the Israeli side. But, as this front is often the most difficult to fight, I implore you to help get the facts out wherever you can. Information you can use follows: Israel is so careful about civilian life that sometimes an operation is aborted because civilians are observed entering the area intended for attack. A story about this here: http://www.idf.il/1283-17615-en/Dover.aspx "...in the early hours of the morning, a squadron of intelligence collecting aircraft took to the sky. Through sophisticated observation equipment and cameras the pilots were able to identify a rocket launch, and Air Force aircraft were sent to strike the area. But things didn't go as planned. 'We saw that innocent civilians were approaching the area of the underground launch site,' said Lt. Omer, a source within the intelligence squadron who took part in the operation. 'We immediately contacted the forces and instructed them to abort the strike.'" ~~~~~~~~~~ Here you have more complete information from the IDF on how we minimize harm to civilians: http://www.idfblog.com/2012/11/15/how-does-the-idf-minimize-harm-to-palestinian-civilians/ Read this and share it, it's amazing. Not only pinpoint targeting, and leaflets of warning in Arabic and phone calls warning people of strikes imminent in their area. There is also sometimes diversion of a missile on its way to strike. And there is "roof knocking": a non-lethal bomb is exploded on the roof of a building where weapons or ammunition are stored, which warns people to flee the building before the target is hit by live ammunition. ~~~~~~~~~~ Col. Richard Kemp, a former commander of British forces testified at the UN in 2010 about IDF behavior, following Israel's last action in Gaza. The IDF, he said, "did more to safeguard the lives of civilians in a combat zone than any other military force in history." See and share the video of his testimony, which addresses Hamas tactics and lies. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hmT4Ri78aM ~~~~~~~~~~ To be continued
continued from previous Then there is information from the IDF on our right to defend ourselves: http://www.idfblog.com/2012/11/15/what-gives-israel-the-right-to-defend-itself/ Hamas is sworn to the destruction of Israel. This blog page provides videos of people, ostensibly "religious leaders," who incite in their sermons and provide "religious justification for unimaginable depravity." ~~~~~~~~~~ Israel still supplies Gaza with 70% of its electric power. I have been asked by several readers why we don't just cut off that power. Legally we are within our right to do so. But it seems fairly clear to me that we refrain doing so because this would not be a pinpoint targeted action: all Gazans would suffer from that lack of electricity. And while this would be a non-lethal approach, it would open us further to accusations of being a cruel state that fosters the suffering of innocent civilians. ~~~~~~~~~~ It should be noted that today Israel opened the Keren Shalom Crossing into Gaza to allow in humanitarian supplies. Every effort is being made to ensure that civilians are not affected by the conflict any more than absolutely necessary. ~~~~~~~~~~ There are repeated reports of some Hamas willingness to agree to a ceasefire now. But that "willingness" -- conveyed by third parties and via the media -- carries conditions. Once again I'm seeing a demand that we stop the sea blockade of Gaza, and promise not to do targeted killings, even if we have evidence of someone who is preparing or involved in an attack. As might be expected, PM Netanyahu dismisses out of hand any ceasefire proposal that carries conditions. ~~~~~~~~~~ I hold my breath, with the prayer that Netanyahu will remain strong and stay the course until what needs to be done is completed. What is needed is the elimination of the Hamas capacity to attack us. The involvement of the tough-talking Foreign Minister Lieberman is reassuring in this regard. As Likud and Yisrael Beitenu are supposed to run as a unified list in the election, Netanyahu cannot unduly cross Lieberman. "Ensuring they could no longer smuggle weapons." Another related issue, which I will not address today, if at all I can yet. ~~~~~~~~~~ And last week, IDF Chief of Staff Benny Gantz appeared before the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee and told them: "In the past year and a half, all of the combat troops have undergone training on mission-related models to prepare them for a ground operation. The sense that we are getting from the soldiers is, 'Let us in.'" According to Israel Hayom, "It appears that senior IDF officers, among them Gantz, believe that if a diplomatic solution cannot be reached, a ground operation would be required, which according to the plan would be conducted on a larger scale than Operation Cast Lead. "GOC Southern Command Maj. Gen. Tal Russo said: 'We have a plan in place that is incremental in its use of force. In Gaza there is a huge arsenal of weapons and missiles, and we will have to take care of it with whatever means necessary. The Fajr missile threat has mainly been destroyed, but there could be several more here and there.'" http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_article.php?id=6452 ~~~~~~~~~~ A few final thoughts before closing: Hamas is using long-range rockets from Iran, and operates at the behest of Iran. Our battle here extends far beyond Gaza. Hezbollah, which is, similarly, an Iranian proxy, is following the happenings in Gaza closely because they have critical implications for this group. They are stepping with caution at the moment and there are reports surfacing of some doubts among Hezbollah leadership as to whether targeting Israel at Iran's behest would be in its best interest. Iran is proceeding with its nuclear development and President Obama is hoping, ludicrously, to proceed with "negotiations" with the Iranians. Something else to be visited in short order. ~~~~~~~~~~ Please see the very supportive resolutions from the Senate and the House: http://imra.org.il/story.php3?id=59049 ~~~~~~~~~~ And as I write, the troops continue to amass at the Gaza border. [See the attached file] Credit: JPost ~~~~~~~~~~ © Arlene Kushner. This material is produced by Arlene Kushner, functioning as an independent journalist. Permission is granted for it to be reproduced only with proper attribution. If it is reproduced and emphasis is added, the fact that it has been added must be noted. See my website at www.arlenefromisrael.info Contact Arlene at akushner18@gmail.com [/COLOR]
Wrong, resistance efforts are just as legitimate as occupation efforts. And given that occupation gives no legitimacy to the movement of one's population then what protection are they afforded? The protection afforded to refugees? Theyre not refugees.. The protection afforded to occupied people? Theyre not occupied... The protection afforded to innocent people living their own lives in their own land? Theyre not innocent.
Um arabs and jews are historically palestinians, however arabs and have been the vast majority for most of the time going back. Moreover they were the main population in the surrounding countryside and so had to have been the people who repsonsible for most of the building that took place. Yes, emphatically. There are a exceptions, like Gilos and Uri but the rest are profoudly and wilfully ignorant. Are you saying that if Palestinians had more effective weapons with better targetting that they would use these to target civilian targets before they targetted the IDF? This seems out of line with every conflict in the world ever, but I suppose you would think palestinians represent a special case of particular barabarity? Your iranian missile example is interesting, is this new missile possessing superior targetting or is mainly a longer range weapon? High stakes indeed, but scant regard for basic morals? Is there some useful historical example of an occupied people seeking a state in a more moral fashion that you would like to point to is this just a feeling youve gotten? Perhaps Ireland? India? Burma? South America somewhere? Id be interested to know from where the Palestinians could learn from according to you and why..
Not when those efforts involve firing rockets into civilian areas. Assertion of the thread is absurd.
Jews have been the majority in Jerusalem since 1850. The real world is precisely the opposite of the one you and your ideology have imagined.
What kinda stupid religion would build a mosque on the holiest site of another religion? Oh, that would be Muslims. They should tear down the mosque brick by brick and move it and every muslim out of Israel, Gaza and the West Bank since they obviously can't get along with or tolerate Jews.
