Papa John's: Obamacare likely to raise costs, employee's hours being cut

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  1. sec

    sec Well-Known Member

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    part of being a libertarian is you get to define it however you want with no regard to the fact that the root word is liberty.
     
  2. DBM aka FDS

    DBM aka FDS Well-Known Member

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    Why can't I genius...? Riddle me that?


    Again... Why can't I? Is there some "book" or "legal documentation" I must submit to if I pick a political party?

    :roll:

    I bet you don't even know how retarded your posts are do you? We laugh - you're comedy... Please rebuttal... :)
     
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    DBM aka FDS Well-Known Member

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    AND FOR THE CHALLENGED - Please refrain from posting about Libertarians when there is no definition please...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism

    There is no consensus on the precise definition of libertarianism. The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy defines libertarianism as the moral view that agents initially fully own themselves and have certain moral powers to acquire property rights in external things.[1] George Woodcock, author of a history of libertarianism, defines it as the philosophy that fundamentally doubts authority and advocates transforming society by reform or revolution.[2] Libertarian philosopher Roderick Long defines libertarianism as "any political position that advocates a radical redistribution of power from the coercive state to voluntary associations of free individuals", whether "voluntary association" takes the form of the free market or of communal co-operatives.[3] According to the U.S. Libertarian Party, libertarianism is the advocacy of a government that is funded voluntarily and limited to protecting individuals from coercion and violence.[4]

    Did the three brain cell posse get learned? I hope so...
     
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    a lot of people think of libertarians as nut cases and i think they're mostly correct

    [video=youtube;Wdw0T5Q66tc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wdw0T5Q66tc[/video]
     
  6. Albert Di Salvo

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    Federal factotums can never truly be libertarians. They are dependent on the federal govt., and as such are its captives.
     
  7. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    As a card-carrying Libertarian I would offer my opinion on this that might differ from those of others. The consensus of libertarians is that private enterprise can best provide results but this is contengent upon two major factors. First of all is the "responsibility" of private enterprise but we also know that not all enterprise is responsible. Next is market pressure where the market can and should address irresponsibility by enterprise.

    As noted above there are financial reasons that make it logical and very cost effective for an employer to provide health insurance for their employees. There are more but let is suffice to say that they exist and more than compensate for the cost of providing that benefit to the employer. Providing health insurance is also the "responsible" thing for an employer to do.

    As a card-carrying Libertarian I oppose government mandates such as the ACA and instead believe in responsible enterprise and market pressure to force irresponsible companies to become responsible. The ACA is going to force Pappa Johns into becoming responsible for it's employees health and, as noted, it will actually be financially beneficial to the company. That consideration aside I would, as a Libertarian, boycott Papa Johns because it is an irresponsible enterprise.

    We can, as the customers of any enterprise, bring market pressure to bear on any enterprise that is irresponsible and we should be doing that. By bringing market pressure to bear we can avoid government regulation and that is a goal we should all endorse.
     
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    DBM aka FDS Well-Known Member

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    I apologize… but I don’t think I said much different, just more simple. No Gov’t – we need to keep America AMERICA… and as you said if people don’t want to take care of our own (which is irresponsible) then we need to force them… Exactly…

    I have already boycotted Papa Johns years ago. I mean when they first arrived here in the City of Roses. I forgot the reason, but it must have been good. :)
     
  9. Consmike

    Consmike New Member Past Donor

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    So why do you even (*)(*)(*)(*)ing care? Don't buy his pizza, move along and live your life.
     
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    DBM aka FDS Well-Known Member

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    I know - over 20 words and you got confused... I have already boycotted Papa Johns years ago. Second paragraph...
     
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    Consmike New Member Past Donor

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    Exactly, but yet you spend time obsessing over it, posting about it in an online forum over and over again. Surely you have more of a life than just worrying about Papa John
     
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    Exactly, but yet you spend time obsessing over it, posting about it in an online forum over and over again. Surely you have more of a life than just worrying about Papa John
     
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    DBM aka FDS Well-Known Member

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    I haven't done such a thing?... I have been replying to people idiotic posts and pointing them out... People are suggesting things about how Libertarians should be and knowing nothing about them and so forth.. Not so much on topic...

    Was that too many words for you?
     
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    I know a little about Libertarians.

    And I've never seen one that was for more government.

    Or at least not until I started posting here.
     
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    Consmike New Member Past Donor

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    Quit crying about papa johns and making like you know what a libertarian is.
     
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    ---It's not that cut and dry. You've got to factor in the cost of training said employees, uniforms(?), increased turn over rates and increased COGs as a result of errors and theft. Not to mention if you pay for someone to do your bookkeeping, their daily labor will increase, as well as the cost to file and maintain the additional information.
     
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    2 hours.
     
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    ---Two hours for what?
     
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    That is because your reading comprehension is ridiculously low... Levels that might change the size of the bus you take to school... Why do I say this? I am not for "big Gov't", I am for my Gov't and my job, but not useless Gov't which I see here at times.

    Where did you see me post I wanted big Gov't OR yet again you are posting idiotic retardation...
     
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    DBM aka FDS Well-Known Member

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    You are just mad because I've made you look silly so many times... You feeling happy about your post there...? Hmmmm? Feeling special...? Like you did something fabulous - witty?...

    Well, you didn't... As always - the crap that comes out of your fingers ends up here on this site and stinks up the place!!
     
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    If Papa Johns wants to offer health care then that is his business. If Papa John's does not want to offer Health Care that also should be his business. I would say the majority of employees at Papa Johns are young and inexperienced and more than likely on their parents health plan until they are 26. (Gees, I was out of the house and on my own when I was 18 like the majority of my friends. What a bunch of pansies were raising now). Many of the jobs are after school jobs, delivery drivers, and part-time jobs. I'm sure full time people are offered heath insurance at a cost. ( The SHOCKER for many like you is that they decline Health insurance.) Young people have this feeling of unvulnerability and therefor don't need it. I don't support Papa John's because they make lousy pizza in my estimation, but, so does Dominos and Pizza Hut. I had a girlfriend who worked for Pizza Hut and she was not given Health Insurance.
     
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    Question. If papa is making such a big deal out of this, why isn't Domino's, Pizza Hut, Little Caesars, and the various other large chains saying anything or making cuts?

    Smells like he is just making cuts he would have made anyway and adding a political bend to them.
     
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    You know.....if we had just gone to a universal single payer system, we wouldnt have to listen to all of the belly aching pain in the ass papa johns of the world.

    But nooooooooo, we had to keep it PRIVATE for all the blood sucking insurance companies and drug companies.
     
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    There are several alleged Libertarians posting here who have some very unLibertarian positions on big government.

    My impression of you is a reactionary anti-conservative, anti-Republcan which leaves you defending Obama much of the time and I don't see how any true Libertarian could stomach that guy for 5 seconds.

    Ann Rand never would.

    But then she was a deep thinker rather than a follower of the lib herd.
     
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    you can't even spell her name, do you really think you can speak for ayn rand?
     

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