Papa John's: Obamacare likely to raise costs, employee's hours being cut

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  1. dujac

    dujac Well-Known Member

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    what a bunch of hyperbolic malarkey
     
  2. Pollycy

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    Think so? Ask all the people who are losing their jobs, and those who WILL lose their jobs next year because of Obama's Welfare Circus extravagances.... Personally, I don't care. And I hope that every witless, gullible son-of-a-***** that voted for Obama lives to regret it. Now, it's just a matter of time....
     
  3. Iriemon

    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Been hearing that 4 years now. Just wait.

    Instead we have had 5 million new private sector jobs created in less than three years.

    But just wait.
     
  4. Iriemon

    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    When are we going to see that hyper inflation again? 2010, no 2011, no, 2012, maybe 2013?
     
  5. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In September 2012 alone 66% of the jobs created were part time jobs with likely low pay and little to no benefits. How exactly is THAT an improvement?
     
  6. The Mello Guy

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    Papa Johns is THE (*)(*)(*)(*)tiest pizza.....if he can find idiots wlling to pay MORE for that garbage then more power to him.
     
  7. Iriemon

    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    With 873,000 more jobs that month? So about 300,000 were addtional full time jobs. THAT is an improvement.

    You'd rather people were not getting jobs at all? Why yes, you would.
     
  8. Pollycy

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    We've had this conversation before, but I've never been able to get you to tell me when we ever stop this headlong plunge into debt, and when Bernanke stops creating imaginary tens of billions of "dollars" out of thin air. Hooray... Bernanke and his handpuppet, Obama, haven't incurred "stagflation" levels of inflation yet -- although we definitely have had inflation, Iriemon, as you know if you buy gasoline, food, or clothes. But, at some point this fraud-balloon is going to burst, or do you really think we can just go on and on and on like this with no consequences...? If you haven't seen this (60 seconds), you really need to, because this is where we're headed like a homing torpedo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LUumD0MwL8
     
  9. Iriemon

    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I wholeheartedly agree we need to keep bringing the deficits down. I've told you this before. Write your Tea Party Republican rep and tell them to compromise on a tax increase.
     
  10. Pollycy

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    I do disagree. John Maynard Keynes is Ben "Bailout" Bernanke's "god", and yes, we have seen his policies in the 1930's in this country: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keynesian_economics

    Obama may be the reincarnation of Frankie Roosevelt, but he is by no means the original. FDR was trying to "spend our way to prosperity" in the 1930's and it just did NOT work. That's why the New Deal had to be followed by the Second New Deal. And, in our time, we've had to have "Quantitative Easing I", "Quantitative Easing II", "Quantitative Easing III", and all of Bernanke's other fiscal idiocy that has produced two things:

    1. Rescue for the banking cartels.

    2. An enormous boost for stock markets, taking them to levels far above what they should be.

    The supreme irony of all this is that if you ask any street-corner socialist who he hates the most, it would be "all those fat cats on Wall Street and those banker bastards". And they don't even suspect that they've been "useful idiots" for exactly the people who have made sure that both the banks and the stock market gamblers would prosper! And that's part of why I can't credit socialists with having any common sense....
     
  11. dujac

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    what a joke, a person would really have to be lame-brained to fall for this political rhetoric/propaganda


    oh look, more malarkey
     
  12. Jarlaxle

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    Don't give them any ideas!
     
  13. Pollycy

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    Oh, look! More of jac's all-purpose, all-occasion, hateful one-liners... (yawn!) It's easy to tear things down, jac -- have you got anything to say about what wonders and miracles your amazing President Messiah is going to confer upon the nation during the next four long years...? Actually, it should be easy... because, as Bernanke's obedient puppet, all he plans to do is:

    tax
    tax
    tax
    tax
    tax,

    and,

    spend
    spend
    spend
    spend
    spend

    and, of course, run the country many more TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS INTO DEBT DOING IT!

    (infinite do-loop)

    double end-of-file
     
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  14. Pollycy

    Pollycy Well-Known Member

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    Indeed, we do agree on the necessity to get rid of the Bush Tax Cuts, increase taxes on people who use loopholes and shelters to avoid paying taxes at all, and cut deficits. I have called and sent email to all of my reps and senators. All I ever get back is the usual robo-responses which pertain to nothing (I guess I don't contribute enough money to get any special treatment).

    It is maddening, and I'm truly afraid that now we are probably no more than 18 months away from having the whole thing collapse completely. This Keynesian fantasy of "spending our way to prosperity" didn't work in Frankie Roosevelt's time, and it isn't working today. Honestly, if it provided a valid, dependable solution, I could support it, even though it goes against all common sense, logic, and reason.

    Deep in my mind, I'm convinced that Obama could have done better (much better) than this. But, he allowed himself to be controlled by Bernanke, Geithner, and the rest of the Federal Reserve insiders and banking cartels. And the honest truth is that I don't see this rotten, miserable, confused and corrupted Congress doing anything to make anything better. So, if Obama is "in the bag", and Congress won't do anything about it, and the Supreme Court has turned into nothing but a rubber-stamp for Obama's socialism, what in hell are we going to do...? Nothing, but maybe "kick the can" some more, for as long as that works. That's why I say, Iriemon -- WE'RE ****ED!
     
  15. dujac

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    i don't have any messiah, obama is just a man
     
  16. Pollycy

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    Yup... thought so.... You have NOTHING to say about what your "man", is planning to do to the United States for the next four, long years. Why doesn't that surprise me?

    I don't mind exchanging one-liners with you, since that's all you seem to be capable of. Or should I simply have my interactive software contact your interactive software offline? They could do one-liner nonsense-volleys (the children call them "bumps") forever....

    Better yet -- maybe YOU should be the new Obamanite Ambassador to Libya! Why not apply today? The job's open, and the only qualification is that you must be willing to die for your Führer! :woot:
     
  17. Mac-7

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    For libs like dujac all that matters is that Obama is expanding the welfare state.

    Compared to the realization of that liberal dream who cares about four dead bumps in the road?
     
  18. dujac

    dujac Well-Known Member

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    obama is not my man and your nutty assertions are ridiculous

    all you ever seem to do is show you have no clue what you're talking about

    obama is planning to work out an equitable budget plan that will keep the deficit in check

    he's also said he wants to pass a jobs bill, reform immigration, adjust energy policies and remake the supreme court




    oh look, another moon bat assertion that has no basis in reality
     
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    Of course Obama is your guy.

    You defend him every day.
     
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    Yep..the Free Corn Pigs....
     
  21. dujac

    dujac Well-Known Member

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    no, i defend the truth and obama is his own man


    that sounds like the gop lobbyist types
     
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    I wonder why employers just dont pretend their costs arent increasing as a direct result of obamacare....

    Its what leftys do....

    Lets have a pretend economy... Thatll solve everything....
     
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    Right.

    And in your case obama is always right and the obama critics are wrong.
     
  24. dujac

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    i think you're the one pretending


    "for small businesses of 100 employees or less, total spending would’ve actually decreased by 1.4 percent"


    One of the attacks leveled against Obamacare is that it will further hamper the already sluggish economy by imposing new costs on employers who want to hire. But a new study by the Urban Institute — modeling the effect of Obamacare’s various provisions on employer behavior had the law been in effect in 2012 — found the health care reform law would’ve only impose a modest increase of 2.2 percent on total employer spending. More strikingly, for small businesses of 100 employees or less, total spending would’ve actually decreased by 1.4 percent:

    The drop in total spending for small firms was due to three factors. One, Obamacare exempts employers with 50 workers or less from penalties levied for not providing mandated coverage. Two, it provides a tax credit for two years to employers with 25 workers or less — and an average pay of $50,000 or less — in order to help with the costs of premiums. Third, Obamacare’s exchanges are expected to lower costs by providing a centralized marketplace in which both firms and individuals can comparative shop. On net, these factors completely overwhelm the new costs imposed on smaller businesses from Obamacare’s new coverage requirements.

    http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/10/09/979101/study-obamacare-reduces-costs-for-small-businesses/
     
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    ObamaCare is going to warp the free marketplace in ways that the liberal gods in the White House cannot predict.

    When the 85% of the Americans who enjoy good healthcare now under the current system are denied the same good treatment in the future because it is being given to deadbeat Obama voters instead they will know what is wrong with ObamaCare.

    But it will be too late to save them.

    We are screwed.
     

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