Part 13 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

Then you are not a true Christian.

You said that God created "all existence". Evil is part of existence therefor God created evil including Satan.

Either God created everything or he did not.

If everything that exists was created by God then how is it possible for something to exist that was not created by God ?

You say "free will" causes Evil. If free will causes evil, and God was the cause of free will then, God caused evil by creating free will.

Clearly God did create evil things. Satan is "evil" and God created Satan.

If God did not want evil then he would not have given Satan the capacity for evil.

Are you claiming that God did not know Satan had the capacity for evil ? How could God not know that his creation had the capacity for Evil ?

 

It takes two seconds to do a google search from which you could figure out for yourself that the Trinity is not in the Bible. http://www.ucg.org/booklet/god-trinity/trinity-biblical/

What is clear is that we have numerous quotes from Jesus stating that God is someone other than himself.

What we do not have ever is Jesus saying "I am God the Father .. worship me"

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Where in your quotes does it say that Jesus is God ? It says that Jesus is the "son of God" This is not a claim to be God the Father.

This is what Irenaeus has to say.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subordinationisma


This is what one of the first Popes had to say:

The Gospel of John was not even written until after Clement.

Does Jesus forget who he is ? Is he delirious.

Who is Jesus praying to ? Himself ?

God knows when the end will come but not Jesus. How is this possible if Jesus is God ?

Jesus is subordinate to the father .... even according to the Gospel of John.

It is you who is intentionally ignoring both scripture and the people that lived closest to the time of Christ.

The Romans crucified people for many reasons... what is this nonsense logic ?

 

You say that I am denying something but you do not say what it is.

Just because Jesus clamed to be the son of God does not make him God the Father and his creator.

God had many sons. Satan was one of God's sons.

Satan never tells us that Jesus is a son of God ... Satan says "if you are the son of God" as you claim ... prove it.

Jesus does not go " I am not only the son of God .... I am God your Father" LOL Jesus is not God and Satan obviously knew this.

He may have been a son of God but we do not know whether or not Satan believed this.

You say that Jesus is God but here you say that Jesus "became" one with the father.

If he was not one with the Father before that means that Jesus and God were separate. Your words, not mine.

 

Yes there are many resurrection story including Lazarus and only Jesus Christ resurrection remain the only resurrection story that Jesus maintain an everlasting life with ascension into Heaven.

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So you do not consider wiping out the entire Jewish people include killing babies?? Interesting double standard attitude.

 

Its been confirm God did not created humans in the image of apes and that humans are not apes.

 

Nothing confusing about what I said which is God is all good and God can not die that is why for the past thousands of years man have been trying to kill God they try to kill him physically they failed, they try to kill Him spiritually by attempting to discredit the Bible and burn the Bible they failed and they tried to kill Him by introducing a fake story and they failed as well.
You on the other hand kept contradicting yourself because if God can die according to you then Christians should have disappeared long time ago.

 

Are you not denying Jesus Christ is the Son of God is God? Read your post below.

Jesus testimony and revelation was the main reason why the Pharisees wanted him dead and it was Jesus resurrection that confirm that He is God. And not only that the Angels pronouncement;
Luke 2: 10 But the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid. I bring you good news that will cause great joy for all the people. 11 Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord. 12 This will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger.”

13 Suddenly a great company of the heavenly host appeared with the angel, praising God and saying,

14 “Glory to God in the highest heaven,
and on earth peace to those on whom his favor rests.”
God had many sons. Satan was one of God's sons.

Again you are ignoring the very gospel that I just posted. Satan ask Jesus prove to me that if you are the son of God turn this stone to bread, throw yourself down and what did Jesus said to Satan Do not put the Lord your God to the test. who was it that Satan was outing to the test? Jesus Christ the Lord the God.

Again you are in denial of Scriptures.
Matthew 4:
3 The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”

4 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”

5 Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. 6 “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written:

“‘He will command his angels concerning you,
and they will lift you up in their hands,
so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’[c]”
7 Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’[d]”

8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor.

9 “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”

10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.
He may have been a son of God but we do not know whether or not Satan believed this.

Yes I said that God became human and after his human mission is over he reunited back to himself One with Himself...God. This clearly demonstrated the power of God for there is nothing impossible with God.

Yes again, as a human God separated himself and took human form this include human pain, emotion and hunger God is not like Satan. Satan will give you anything including immortality as long as you worship him. God on the other hand will not cheat or abuse His own authority He became human going through the human process of birth and taking all human aspects thus God gave birth to His only begotten Son Jesus Christ mothered by Mary.
Your understanding of God is base on human aspect that is why the Pharisees rejected Jesus Christ because they were expecting a material salvation a king,a warrior a super man that will destroy Rome and make Israel the ruler of the earth they were disappointed when they were told that the Kingdom is not of this world are you also disappointed too that God became human, God live a pauper's life, God did not use his powers to destroy Rome?

 

How do you think anyone knew this story about the temptation in the wilderness? Who saw this happen?
If the bible alone is your proof of anything, you haven't made your case.
Not once.
Declaring it to be factual is not an argument for its veracity.

 

There were many resurrection stories, (dying and rising Gods) prior to the story of Jesus. Osiris, Adonis, Attis, Marduk and Tammuz to name a few. It was a pretty common religious theme throughout ancient history.

Do you believe all these myths ?

 

1) they were not "Jews" they were Israelites
2) The Amalakites did not wipe out the entire nation of Israel. It is not clear from the text that "everyone was killed" but even if they did

Just because the Amalakites killed some Israelites does not justify God punishing babies for the sins of their parents

In addition, there are many other examples of God ordering the killing of Babies that had nothing to do with the Amalakites or people killing Israelites.

Face reality dude. It did not take much for God to order the killing of babies.

 

Correct ... Jesus is not God "the Father" according to the Bible.

Why do you continue to post scripture that does nothing to confirm anything to the contrary while completely ignoring all of scripture where Jesus himself claims that God is someone other than himself.

This says nothing about Jesus being God. This is not Jesus speaking. Luke never even met Jesus and was writing many centuries after the death of Jesus and even after the death of Paul.

If you knew anything about Jewish tradition you would know that the term "messiah"/ Christ the Lord was not the term used for God and did not mean God.

The messiah was one who was sent by God ... a David like figure who would restore Israel to its former greatness.

 

What is there to deny. There is no claim that Jesus is God in this passage. What is your problem ?

 

After reading your posts from the beginning to the end of this thread you have convinced me that there are two things god can not do...

1. He can not get you to understand facts, reason, or logic.

2. He can't save anyone because he can't die for them.

You are a walking, talking, posting contradiction and you ignore any thing that upsets your applecart.

 

Were in the Bible does it say that "God" became fully human and then reunited back to himself. Just because you like to make up stories does not make them true. Repeating these stories over and over again does not make them true.

I noticed that you have completely ignored all my posts from scripture where Jesus is speaking about "The Father" as someone other than himself.

 

So you believe that Satan is a God as well. I did not know that Satan could give immortality.

Wow so no need to worship God to get immorality then !

You might think about worshiping Satan instead of God as you probably would not have to endorse baby killing.

 

Perhaps not but he did create Satan and all things evil !

 

Isaiah 45:7

Isaiah 45:7.

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

 

Waite a minute I almost got dupe by you. You claim to be a Christian and yet you do not worship Jesus Christ or recognize Jesus Christ is the Son of God this mean you are not a Christian!!! You are the liar! I knew something was not right with your posting why would a Christian not believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God you must be a Mormon, Nestorian, Muslim or some other form of heretical sect surely not Christianity.

Ah! another one bite the dust!
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When did Jesus say that someone needs to worship him? Or are you just making up something that is not there?

 

or, if you're not mormon, nestorian, or muslim then you must be 'some other form of heretical sect'. see how that works?

 

The Bible tells us that Noah had 3 sons, Japheth , Ham, and Shem, and that each of them had a wife. Many children were born to them after the flood (Genesis 10:1).

"The descendants of Japheth were Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech, and Tiras."---Genesis 10:2 NLT
"The descendants of Ham were Cush, Mizraim, Put, and Canaan."---Genesis 10:6 NLT

"Sons were also born to Shem, the older brother of Japheth. Shem was the ancestor of all the descendants of Eber. The descendants of Shem were Elam, Asshur, Arphaxad, Lud, and Aram. The descendants of Aram were Uz, Hul, Gether, and Mash. Arphaxad was the father of Shelah, and Shelah was the father of Eber."---Genesis 10:21-24 NLT

From Noah and his family the human race survived the Great Flood and so everyone of us are descendants from them.

 

No, as I've said earlier the sun was created on Day 1, refer to my post #7 on pg. 1 of Part 3. I have thoroughly explained it very clearly.

 

There you go again doing what you do best...misinterpret what you read. Obviously you thought when WR used the term repopulating, you thought he was saying Noah was having more children and so you asked him about other children----Wrong again!

It was through his 3 sons, Japheth , Ham, and Shem and their wives were this repopulating the earth would take place. He lived 950 years through the grace of God, and so what if he didn't have any more children, his sons and their wives were going to be the ones to begin repopulating the earth and get the ball rolling again...no pun intended...lol

Well again at least you are consistent...consistent in not interpreting correctly what you read. Maybe if you try to be more inconsistent then you wouldn't be so consistent in interpreting what you read incorrectly...lol

 

God didn't tell us how He did it.

Get it engrained in your mind, you will not get all the answers you seek. We humans just won't attain 100% of all knowledge, a lot of things we simply have no answers for them. But of course I'm not saying don't be curious, we humans can't help but to be curious of things that perplex us.

 

This is a classic example of someone misinterpreting the Holy Bible. It is very easy to do when a person hasn't fully read the entire Holy Bible to understand what God is really about and so when you take any particular verse from the Bible it can easily be misinterpreted. You just can't take everything you read literally in the Holy Bible. Let me explain this particular verse from Isaiah to explain what the verse is really saying to the reader.

Isaiah 45:7 King James Version says, "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

How does Isaiah 45:7 agree with the view that God did not create evil? There are two key facts that need to be considered. (1) The word translated "evil" is from a Hebrew word that means "adversity, affliction, calamity, distress, misery." Notice how the other major English Bible translations render the word: "disaster" (NIV, HCSB), "calamity" (NKJV, NAS, ESV), and "woe" (NRSV).

The Hebrew word can refer to moral evil, and often does have this meaning in the Hebrew Scriptures. However, due to the diversity of possible definitions, it is unwise to assume that "I create evil" in Isaiah 45:7 refers to God bringing moral evil into existence.

The context of Isaiah 45:7 makes it clear that something other than "bringing moral evil into existence" is in mind.

The context of Isaiah 45:7 is God rewarding Israel for obedience and punishing Israel for disobedience.

God pours out salvation and blessings on those whom He favors. God brings judgment on those who continue to rebel against Him.

"Woe to him who quarrels with his Master" (Isaiah 45:9). That is the person to whom God brings "evil" and "disaster."

So, rather than saying that God created "moral evil," Isaiah 45:7 is presenting a common theme of Scripture – that God brings disaster on those who continue in hard-hearted rebellion against Him.

In summary God is not the author of evil and so He did not create evil. All human miseries are a result of sin.