Part 2 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

Here's my question: what brought you to believe?

 

Explain what, exactly, you mean by purity genes.

Additionally, to Mitt Ryan: why do the four Gospels contradict each other as to such important details as when and where Jesus was born, how his last Passover played out, and how he died? Not all four can be truthful if they all say entirely different things. Further, how are other inconsistencies within the Bible dealt with? For instance, the two different creation accounts, differing on whether or not marriage is good (St. Paul thinks marriage is detestable and is only good for people who can't help but have sex; other authors say it's good), and hundreds of other discrepancies.

 

.... and still no answer to my question on polygyny.

 

Here is my question, unanswered elsewhere.

What is the difference between a fundamentalist and a pathological liar?

 

Not at all what I asked.
Was Mary born without sin. Immaculate conception. If I understand the premise of it. I think the thought is Jesus had to be without sin, so Mary had to be without sin at her birth and up until the time of Jesus' birth.

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So this is a guess or opinion on your part. Isn't there suppose to be a new earth? And this new earth is our new home?

 

http://www.biblestudytools.com/topical-verses/eternal-life-bible-verses/

These verses don't say where eternal life is.

 

Several factors:
1. Jesus Christ as a man did existed, he wenbt through the harshes torture all because he taught equality, love and peace.
2. Jesus Christ resurrection and miracles up to this date can not be disprovement not even by his most staunch enemeis and opposition.
3. Jesus Christ ability to perform those miracles, with stand the painful torture amd most of all his resurrection proof that he is not an ordinary man if he is not an ordinary man then he is what he claims he is, God.

Now, what make you not to believe?

 

Genes that have not yet been corrupted by the fallen angels. Adam and Eve their genes were still pure so were those of their childrens until the fallen angels started to cohabit with humans and bare children injected those succeeding humans with imperfect genes.

 

Quote Originally Posted by Mjolnir:

Matthew tells us that Jesus was born when Herod was king in Judea (Matthew 2:1). From other historical records, we know that Herod died in 4 B.C.E. To complicate the dating process, Luke's gospel repeats the Herod tradition (Luke 1:5) but adds that Jesus was also born when Quirinius was governor of Syria (Luke 2:1). From other historical records, we know that Quirinius did not become governor of Syria until the winter of 6/7 C.E., by which time Jesus would have been at least 10 years old. The stories do not add up.
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Evidence for the historical Jesus should be considered first before one tries to date the birth of Jesus Christ. The "New Testament" documents were written in the first-century that contained certain creedal confessions that have been dated to the years 30-50 AD. When you consider these creedal confessions of the New Testament along with other religious documentary evidence for Jesus, the case for a historical Jesus is staggering. In addition, there are non-Christian references to Jesus from ancient history. The scholarly consensus of this (and other) evidence is that Jesus of Nazareth lived in the first century, acquired a sizable following and was crucified sometime in the 3rd decade of the first century.

So let's now look at the clues from the Gospels of Matthew and Luke.

1. Jesus was born during the reign of Caesar Augustus (Luke 2:1). Thus, Jesus was born sometime between 27 B.C. and A.D. 14 (the period in which Augustus was in power)

2. Jesus was born after Augustus decreed some kind of census (Luke 2:1). Ancient history indicates there was no singular, empire-wide census ordered by Augustus, but rather a series of censuses taken throughout the empire as Augustus tried to rein in corruption by instituting census counts for tax purposes. This plausibly affirms the context of Luke's account, but sheds no light on the date of Jesus' birth.

3. Jesus was born while Quirinius was governor of Syria (Luke 2:2). Luke tells us that the specific census which led Mary and Joseph to Bethlehem was under Quirinius. History reveals that "Quirinius" was governor of Syria from 6-9 A.D. and served in a similar capacity (perhaps even as governor) from 12-2 B.C. (especially in the years 3-2 B.C.). This puts Jesus' birth sometime between 12 B.C. and 9 A.D.

4. Jesus was born during the reign of King Herod (Matthew 2). This would be "Herod the Great," and history tells us Herod died in 4 B.C. Thus, Jesus was born before 4 B.C.

5. The narrative of the "wise men of the East" visiting Jesus (after seeing Herod) and then Herod massacring those under 2 years of age in the Bethlehem area when the wise men didn't return to him (Matthew 2) indicates that Jesus was up to 2 years old at the time Mary and Joseph fled to Egypt. This would put Jesus' birth between 6 and 4 B.C. - perhaps as early as 7 B.C.

6. Jesus began his active ministry when he was "about thirty years old" (Luke 3:23) and did so during the active ministry of John the Baptist (Luke 3). According to Luke, John the Baptist started preaching and baptizing in the 15th year of Tiberius' reign and when Pontius Pilate was governor of Judea. This puts Jesus' entry into public life sometime after 27 or 28 A.D. Subtract "about thirty years" from that - and you're back to about the time Herod died (4 B.C.), depending on how you define "about thirty years."

There has been an extensive amount of scholarship concerning the date of Jesus' birth. The above clues point to the conclusion of Herod the Great's reign as king of Judea.

In all likelihood, Jesus of Nazareth was born sometime between 7 and 4 B.C.

 

So early on, the basic theories of genetics didn't hold? Somehow you could marry your sister, and your son marry your daughter and their child marry their sibling.....and there were no hereditary issues.

But "some time later"....current genetics kicked in?

 

So, how would these genes impact humanity? Do we know what these lines of code are so that we might perform genetic engineering and eliminate original sin and thus make Jesus obsolete?

 

Now my question....do snails "melt"?


Psalm 58:8 -- "As a snail which melteth, let every one of them pass away: like the untimely birth of a woman, that they may not see the sun."

 

That's right how could there possibly have been all those people living during those times...it simply is impossible! No census taking was ever done during those times and so saying there were that many people is just being dishonest.

If you're going to spew out numbers let it be factual and not be inaccurate speculative guesswork!

Only God knows exactly how many people were living at the time and someday I'm going to ask Him about it, and I'm certain it aint going to be in the millions within centuries after only 8 people being in the world.

 

That's true of a lot of prophets of various religions, especially the Gurus of Sikhism.

It's not up to someone to disprove them; they must be proven to have occurred. For instance, would you accept, on the face of them, the miracles of Muhammad (went on a miraculous journey through the sky by way of Allah) , Guru Nanak (creating a fresh water well in an area with nothing but a saltwater aquifer), Deganawida (virgin birth, surviving a trip over a large waterfall in a dugout canoe), and so on?

By the way, the Bible is not a reliable source for correctly proving the existence of Jesus' miracles, anymore than the Koran is for Muhammad or the Vestas for Zarathustra.

That's a non sequitor; even if we accept the resurrection as true, it does not follow that he was YHWH as he claimed; for instance, in Islamic theology, Jesus had a substitute on the cross and will return at the End of Days as merely a prophet of Allah/YHWH. Alternatively, in some Gnostic Christian theologies, the resurrection refers not to a literal raising of the dead (as the material world was looked upon as the work of the evil Demiurge of the OT), but as a spiritual awakening.

A complete lack of evidence of the supernatural.

 

Why didn't you quote or answer the first question in my post?

I though you were here to ANSWER the tough question, not cowardly run from them.

Could it be that you have no rationalization for why there were millions of people in world only a few generations after their supposedly only being 8?

And to answer your LIE: yes there were censuses conducted at the time. Both the Chinese and the Indus Valley civilizations conducted them.

 

did you notice that from a distance your avatar looks like a mouse?

 

Original sin has nothing to do with genes or the body it has to do with the soul that is why the best and only way to eliminate the original sin was for God to become human to sacrifice himself in human form in human way and then resurrect, the physical punishment that God went through as Jesus Christ was a demonstration that it is not about the body that it was about the spirit and heaven is not of this world.

 

Jesus Christ was the only guru or prophet to resurrect. Jesus Christ has proof everything and his enemies tried everything to make him unreal so instead of presenting proof they go after Jesus Christ physically and spiritually because they have no proof that Jesus Christ is not God.

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Are you out of questions and lies?

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Are you out of questions and lies?

 

Osiris, Ba'al, Asclepius, Achilles, Aristeas, Bodhidharma, and Puhua, to name a few.

The proof for the existence of YHWH and Jesus being the physical embodiment of YHWH is nonexistent. Aside from the Bible, an assemblage of epistles and books that was declared canon hundreds of years after the death of Jesus and edited by people who had every agenda to deify Jesus.

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Again: how do these genes affect humanity? How do you define pure genes? Do you even know what you would be looking for or are you just making things up?

 

They resurrect spiritually not body and soul.

The Bible that correspond with secular records proof that Jesus Christ is God. Jesus was deify because he proof himself if Jesus have not resurrected then there won't be a God or Christianity and enemies of Christ can not proof that Jesus is not God.

Genes affect human evolution and transformation that can make humans weak, sickly, mentally handicap, physically handicap, mentally alert or have all normal function. There is no pure genes any more Adam and Eve and their 1st - 3rd maybe to 4th generation were the last just like the dinosaurs they are all extinct. Humans have been trying to research and develop that perfect gene to no success because no one knows what perfect genes is. Humans try to look for the perfect Miss Universe or smartest man, or strongest man but they can only reach make up their own imperfect criteria.

Jesus Christ was the last human with perfect human gene.

 

And already we hit the first stumbling block - I'm not sure even this is true. But I can at least see how someone could believe it.

But they haven't been demonstrated to begin with. I can't disprove this old story, but how high is the burden of proof that you hold to accept a belief that is completely unlike anything anyone has ever seen, and that has a huge impact on your life? Not very, it seems, if the paltry, virtually non-existence evidence of the miracles of Christ were enough to convince you.

Again, total non-starter. Not only does the resurrection not prove that he is God (could have been Satan playing a trick on us, right?), but there's no evidence of the resurrection to begin with!

The numerous contradictions in the bible, the fact that the god presented therein has to be explained as omnibenevolent (rather than showing it through his actions - he's actually kind of a dick, and if you don't assume that he's omnibenevolent to begin with, he becomes evil), the fact that it's so incredibly unfair (So... the indigenous tribes of the Amazon Basin are just (*)(*)(*)(*)ed then? No way for them to know of Christ to begin with!), and the fact that oh so much of what is depicted quite clearly as "fact" in the bible (if I were to give literary professors an analogy to the genesis account without telling them what it was, I doubt many would take the flood or the biblical time scale as "metaphor") is completely wrong.

But all of that pales in comparison to the most fundamental issue. That is, there's an utter lack of evidence for any of the claims you just made, and absolutely no evidence for a supernatural god.

 

It is believe because it is the truth, if it isn't true thousands of innocent people would have gave their life up for nothing remember it was very easy for the Romans or early conquerors to force the conquered people to submit to their rule here we have Christians who were willing to die without fighting back all of them have nothing earthly to gain many of them were soldiers, merchants, officers even politicians who gave up everything including their lives because they refuse to reject Jesus Christ and the same can be said of Jesus Christ he has nothing to gain but everything to lose and yet he went through the whole process to be torture and crucified. Jesus Christ if he is not God he is definitely the greatest hero on earth, greater than Alexander the Great, Genghis Khan or Mohammed. he is the only known man to have stand up to the mighty army of Rome without any armed army of his own.

You and many others can not disprove it because is it difficult to disapprove truth. The fact that it has been establish that a man name Jesus of Nazareth did existed and was crucified because of blasphemy and his crucifixion resulted in eventually the conversion of the entire Roman Empire to his name called Christianity. His miracles was well known that is why they went after him because they could not believe and because Jesus refuse to repeat his miracle in front of them. The fact also that they never found Jesus body all kinds of speculation that it was stolen by his disciples that contradict the fact that his tomb was being guarded by discipline Roman guards.

If you believe iyt could be Satan you can also believe that it can be God. Jesus did confronted Satan and Jesus reprimanded Satan when Satan tried to offer Jesus that Mohammed acquired as a self proclaim prophet, Jesus rejected power, riches and women and he reminded Satan who he is talking to ;
Matthew 4:1-11
4 Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.
2 After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry.
3 The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”
4 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’
5 Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple.
6 “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written:
“‘He will command his angels concerning you,
and they will lift you up in their hands,
so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.”
7 Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.”
8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor.
9 “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”
10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.”
11 Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him.

Even the tribes is Amazon they were all worshiping their own gods they were already f### themselves for that. That is why Jesus chose the 12 so that they can carry his message to all. God have reveal Himself and have many times guided the Jews and still they rejected Him they will honor Him for awhile and move away from God again and again. It is not God who is at fault or wrong it is humans who are at fault.

God is no supernatural He is real there are thousands of evidences of His existence it is certain humans that do not believe, it is their fault not God's. As I have pointed out they can not disapprove the resurrection or Jesus miracles they can only try to discredit him.

 

Then it's rather obvious that the flood occured way before this period, possibly as high as a 1,000 yrs prior, give or take a few centuries. Who knows exactly? Only God knows for sure but us peons, we can only speculate.

 

Quote Originally Posted by Mjolnir:

So you believe that logic and truth exist independently from God, and that he has no power over them. Or more simply, that logic isn't one of God's creations.

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I have never said that, why do you always misinterpret what I say? You probably do the same thing if you would ever read certain Scripture in the bible. You atheists are very good at misinterpreting, misunderstanding what you read. Is it that you are lacking comprehension skills?

God is logic and God is the truth. Here is some logical truth:

Everyone knows that something does not come from nothing. So, if God is a “something,” then He must have a cause, right?

The question is tricky because it sneaks in the false assumption that God came from somewhere and then asks where that might be. The answer is that the question does not even make sense. It is like asking, “What does blue smell like?” Blue is not in the category of things that have a smell, so the question itself is flawed. In the same way, God is not in the category of things that are created or caused. God is uncaused and uncreated—He simply exists.

How do we know this? We know that from nothing, nothing comes. So, if there were ever a time when there was absolutely nothing in existence, then nothing would have ever come into existence. But things do exist. Therefore, since there could never have been absolutely nothing, something had to have always been in existence. That ever-existing thing is what we call God. God is the uncaused Being that caused everything else to come into existence. God is the uncreated Creator who created the universe and everything in it.

Now go ahead and ask me a follow up question proving that just don't understand this logical truth that I just gave you...lol