Part 25 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

Your hopeless. I give up. And quit pretending you understand the Just because fallacy because you don't.

You seem to think that anytime someone uses the phrase "just because" they are committing a fallacy and this is not the case o clueless one.

You have serious reading comprehension issues.

 

Why are there so many planets when man is only on one of them?

What's the oldest celestial object in the cosmos?

 

O come on now sillyGiftedone. You know as well as I that there is no reading comprehension problem on my part. Besides, I am not the one denying reality by saying that "Reality can not be proven."

 

Oh please do enlighten us. While you are at it, also show PROOF of claim.

 

Well, he does appear to have difficulty understanding time frames. But then again he does believe that water covered the tallest mountains on Earth.

 

And you seem to believe that time is an absolute. so where is the difference in his beliefs and yours?

 

Actually all my post is in direct answer to all your selective history. That is why no tough question has gone unanswered.

Let's start with your denial that the Christian Church was the only institution that would publicly and officially call for the protection of Jews not once but many times.
As for Israel you prefer to start at the Kings ignoring all the records before that. Would you skip early evolution of the universe and just start around 10,000 BC?

If the Tanakh is allegoric then could it be possible that it is pointing to the origin of the Hebrews and what is to be Israel the conflicts the politics the wars and struggle of the Hebrews that was once part of the larger tribe that broke apart due to wars and one tribe that broke away would become the Hebrews and the leader will be Noah, then to Abraham, Moses then to the Kings?
Remember in the Kings it covers the time of David to the fall of Israel in its wars with Assyria, Babylon and Persia. And befoe David it was Saul, Josuah wars with the Canaanites.

Not only have the church sometimes help the Jews in fact the church not the Muslims, not pagans, not the communist or Nazis that would publicly ever call for the protection of Jews only the Christian church will do that.
I have ignored nothing the Christian church has everything in record including the persecution of Jews by Christians but you chose to make it appear the Christian church was responsible when in fact it wasn't long before Christianity Jews were already being targeted when Jesus came his mission was to save the Jews first.

The church not sometimes but many times will step forward to protect Jews.

You have refused to acknowledge that the Pope will be the only one that would apologized not the Muslims, pagans, atheist, communist or Nazis only the Pope is man enough to say sorry to the Jews and man enough to call for the protection of Jews.

Abraham is history all historians understand that and accept that.
Only none historians will be stupid enough not to understand that Abraham was the father of Christianity and is part of the history and origin of the Hebrew people or Israel.

I will keep repeating what is recorded in official history because it is easy to present it while you will continue to present your personal view of what is history.

An atheist is a man who watches a Notre Dame - Southern Methodist University game and doesn't care who wins.
Dwight D. Eisenhower

 

Your not a very good critic.

 

Wrong Moses will be chosen by God to lead the Hebrews out of slavery in Egypt and that Christians this include Catholics recognize Moses as the person that would be responsible in the fulfillment of God's covenant with Abraham that would lead to the creation of the nation of Israel as we know it today that is why Israel and Christianity share a very common history and Christians will always be there for Israel to defend it against all its enemies.

 

Yes it does.

 

Quote Originally Posted by dairyair View Post
Lest ye not forget.
Satan is very clever and is a deceiver and deceives those who seek for truth outside the Bible.

For this I have to say I agree with dairy.

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Yours is outside of the Bible.
And I have to agree with dairy on this;

 

I'd say that Giftedone fella is the confused one. Must be another theory...eh?...lol...a highly flawed one...lol

 

Remember the First Commandment: Exodus 34:11-16 (NLT) =
"11 But listen carefully to everything I command you today. Then I will go ahead of you and drive out the Amorites, Canaanites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites.
12 “Be very careful never to make a treaty with the people who live in the land where you are going. If you do, you will follow their evil ways and be trapped.13 Instead, you must break down their pagan altars, smash their sacred pillars, and cut down their Asherah poles. 14 You must worship no other gods, for the Lord, whose very name is Jealous, is a God who is jealous about his relationship with you.
15 “You must not make a treaty of any kind with the people living in the land. They lust after their gods, offering sacrifices to them. They will invite you to join them in their sacrificial meals, and you will go with them.16 Then you will accept their daughters, who sacrifice to other gods, as wives for your sons. And they will seduce your sons to commit adultery against me by worshiping other gods."

 

You are dead wrong and the documentation has been provided... The Jews were persecuted by the Church for over 1,000 years.

 

Remember what it says in 1 Thessalonians 2:14-16 (CEV) =
"14 My friends, you did just like God’s churches in Judea and like the other followers of Christ Jesus there. And so, you were mistreated by your own people, in the same way they were mistreated by their people.
15 Those Jews killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and they even chased us away. God doesn’t like what they do and neither does anyone else. 16 They keep us from speaking his message to the Gentiles and from leading them to be saved. The Jews have always gone too far with their sins. Now God has finally become angry and will punish them."

So maybe God has been ticked off at them for the past thousand or two thousand years? It's Biblical.

 

If we were to completely ignore all the data to the contrary...sure.

Or is we were to use the last 200,000 yrs. as a substitute for the word "Always".

 

No it isn't.

 

believe
bɪˈliːv/
verb
verb: believe; 3rd person present: believes; past tense: believed; past participle: believed; gerund or present participle: believing

1.
accept that (something) is true, especially without proof.
"the superintendent believed Lancaster's story"
synonyms: be convinced by, trust, have confidence in, consider honest, consider truthful More
"I don't believe you"
regard as true, accept as true, accept, be convinced by, give credence to, credit, give credit to, trust, put confidence in, count on, rely on, depend on;
informalswallow, {swallow something hook, line, and sinker}, fall for, go for, buy, take as gospel
"if you believe that story you will believe anything"
antonyms: disbelieve
accept the statement of (someone) as true.
"he didn't believe her"
have religious faith.
"there are those on the fringes of the Church who do not really believe"
feel sure that (someone) is capable of doing something.
"I wouldn't have believed it of Lavinia—what an extraordinary woman!"
2.
hold (something) as an opinion; think.
"I believe we've already met"
synonyms: think, be of the opinion that, think it likely that, have an idea that, imagine, feel, have a feeling, hold, maintain, suspect, suppose, assume, presume, conjecture, surmise, postulate that, theorize that, conclude, come to the conclusion that, deduce;


Oxford

Accept that (something) is true, especially without proof:
Hold (something) as an opinion;

Freedictionary

be·lieve (b-lv)
v. be·lieved, be·liev·ing, be·lieves
v.tr.
1. To accept as true or real: Do you believe the news stories?
2. To credit with veracity: I believe you.
3. To expect or suppose; think: I believe they will arrive shortly.
v.intr.
1. To have firm faith, especially religious faith.
2. To have faith, confidence, or trust: I believe in your ability to solve the problem.
3. To have confidence in the truth or value of something: We believe in free speech.
4. To have an opinion; think: They have already left, I believe.

 

I believe the right needs to better explain why they hate communism, but aspire to a potential "commune" of Heaven where "from each according to their ability to each according to their need" may be a practical form of anarchocommunism.

 

Based on the fairy tale you only get a white robe, water, and a piece of fruit once a month while in the golden cube (heaven).

 

that doesn't seem to explain any lack of Faith (as an absolute moral regardless of any ethical situation), in Capitalism.

 

Perhaps honesty?

Given MR will not answer certain questions if they will embarrass his fellow fundamentalist Christians?

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WanRen, if you can claim Barrabas was a "rapist"...and not be corrected by your fellow fundamentalist Christians.....

what's to stop you from claimiing Moses was a "Catholic" and getting away with it....if you were to REALLY believe that falsehood as well?

 

Strangely, I checked all of the Oxford dictionaries available on the first page of links located here :https://www.google.com/search?q=bel...a:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=nts ,,, and I did not find the definition that you cited as the Oxford definition (the first set of definitions you listed). Can you please provide a link to that source?

 

Conjecture on your part. Do you have proof for your claim?

 

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/believe