Part 29 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

To use to Bible as proof of its own claims is illogical by my measure of logic. Do you have evidence outside the Bible that support the claim that the Bible contains the word of God?

You make the claim of facts yet provide no evidence that support said facts. If your evidence is the Bible then I again argue that to use to Bible as proof of its own claims is illogical by my measure of logic.

So in other words there are no Roman writings of the event (the resurrection) that support the Biblical account.

 

Thanks to the Holy Bible the historicity of Christ was preserved and recorded. Do you have evidence that the Bible is not the word of God?

Facts have been provided but you refused to see them your choice to ignore the facts the facts will always be there no matter how much you ignore them.
Your measure of logic so far is based on your personal criteria.

Roman writings will support the account of the Resurrection years after Christianity has become part of the Roman empire without the Bible Romans would not have known about Christ Roman writings about Christ Resurrection will spread during Constantine era.

 

The way I see it I agree with Inc. here. You have been avoiding the issue just like what Inc has said in that you are establishing non-sense arguments in an attempt to not discuss rationalization.

You can't be going all over the place if you want to have meaningful discussions with another person...in other words stick to the subject matter, the issue at hand.

If I'm discussing the pros and cons of abortion, I don't want the person I'm having this discussion with to start discussing the pros and cons of gay marriages...lol

 

I haven't seen my friend WR post any lies about your character and what you believe. First of all we basically know what you believe...you believe that God does not exist, that there is no such being in existence.

Obviously you are misinterpreting WR when he responds to your posts, he is essentially giving out his opinions. He has never said that his opinions that he expresses is the truth, it's factual and nothing but the truth.

However though his opinions are based on what he has observed in discussions with you and so there is a possibility that there might be some truth to his opinions. So there is no need to flat out accuse someone to maliciously lie about you, you are definitely over reacting here.

 

A story book written 2000 years ago is not proof that the things in the story actually happened.

What is also true is that in the original story there was no physical resurrection where Christ was seen in the flesh after his death. Those parts were made up and added long after Christ's death.

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Then you simply can not see.

 

What story book was written 2000 years ago?

 

You have been shown how fallacious this statement is numerous times. Are you incapable of learning ?

Not having evidence that something is not true does not make it true.

Do you have evidence that Zeus did not do the things recorded in the Greek stories ? Does the fact that you have no such evidence make the stories about Zeus and Thor true ?

Just because you can not prove that Thor did not have a big hammer that controlled lightning, does this make the story about Thor's hammer true ?

Why do you keep repeating the same fallacies over and over when this fallacy has been shown to you numerous times?

 

The books in the Bible containing the stories of Jesus.

 

No. You previously stated a '2000 year old book'... NOT "books". So which book is it that is 2000 years old?

 

My previous statement should be corrected to say 2000 year old stories in some book.

But you knew this is what was meant. Did you have a point other than to pretend you did not understand what was meant ?

 

So now you want to recant and correct an error in your ability to make accurate observations of your own actions? got it. I just stated my point.

 

You are quite hopeless and completely lost. The correction of my error was specifically due to my ability to make accurate observation of my own actions.

How can anything be considered to have been corrected unless there was a mistake was detected based on accurate observation?

 

After the fact of my pointing out the error to you.

Simple... someone points out the error to you.

 

The earliest history book the Bible would serve as the blue print for modern scholars, scientist and historians to learn about ancient past of Israel but most of all about the existence of God. The life and Resurrection of Christ was the full proof of God's existence in physical and spiritual. Deniers and enemies of God have been trying hard to add false stories about Christ for 2000 years and for 2000 years they have failed because all their wild claims lack evidence and historicity.

 

Actually that seems to be the case you seem to have problem in learning? You have been shown many times with supporting historical facts and evidences that the Bible is the word of God and your inability to provide any claims that it is not has been your problem ever since.

Having evidence that it is true makes it true.

We have evidences about the story and exploits of Zeus god of Greek mythology we also have evidences that everything written about it are all fiction and myth I am surprise that you are not aware of this? In fact Zeus, Thor, Odin are very famous many modern scholars and writers have wrote many tales about them in comics and movies.

We know Thor is a fiction but you don't.

Your fallacies need to be rebutted so that you will learn about the truth and not be stuck with fantasy all your life.

 

And thus in 2 sentences....the sum total of Incorporeal's posts on this Forum.

Pointing out errors of people...that he DISagrees with. While of course ignoring those of people, he agrees with.

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Like all the "evidence" in the Bible of "pre-Flood baby cannibalism" or Barabbas being a "rapist"?

 

As if you are not doing the same thing. What do you suppose you have done with your posting above. You have pointed out what you believe to be an error on my part, while of course never saying anything to the self-declared non-theists on this forum. tsk tsk.

 

I see that you still do not accept that cannibalism is for real or that Barabbas was also a rapist how about humans are not apes? This is why the more reason we need the Bible.

 

How can you be sure you pointed out an error ? You do not even believe in errors. According to you there are no errors because reality can not be proven.

Just more of your inane hypocrisy.

 

You are claiming that folks that do not believe some of the claims of Christianity because of the lack of evidence ..lack evidence ?

This is loonie tunes. That is no different than claiming that the folks who think the stories of Zeus are Myths are wrong because they lack evidence ?

It is not up to the doubters to provide evidence to disprove the resurrection. It is up to those that claim the story is true to provide evidence that backs up their claim.

 

You have not rebutted any fallacy. All you have done is ignore the point of my post and put words in my mouth and make unsupported claims.

I never said the story of Thor was true. You have no material so you have to make up a straw man to attack.

I do not have to put words in your mouth. All I have to do is show how what you actually claim is nonsense and that is easy.

1) How do you know that some person (perhaps from and advanced alien race) did not come to earth many years ago with some instrument that shot electricity out and that that instrument happened to look like a hammer.

Please explain how you or anyone else knows that this did not happen; that this is what happened and thee people of the time mistook these people with high technology for Gods ?

Your second claim is even more nonsensical.

Please tell us how you can prove that the story of the talking donkey in the Bible actually happened ? (other than someone wrote a story)

 

As far as I can tell your intentions are mostly to encourage idiocy.

I can not count the number of times you have clicked like on a post that is complete nonsense. You seem to want to hide from actually commenting in support of the nonsense other than to click "like" on the nonsensical post.

For example: WanRen keeps committing the "you can prove something is not true so it must be true" fallacy.

Why are you encouraging him to continue posting utter nonsense.

Is all you have in response to "tough questions" is fallacy ?

Is your belief so lacking in substance that you have to resort to the most ridiculous and absurd ? Incorps "denial of reality" defense for example which you also seem to like.

Of the three you seem to be the only one who has some scruples in relation to spouting disingenuous nonsense in your posts or at least you try.

Why then do you support others spouting such nonsense ?

Is this some kind of "all for one and one for all" and it does not matter what comes out of my compatriots mouth ... you are going to support it regardless ?

Do you really think we should go out and start killing babies because of some religious persons judgement that their parents are evil ? Is this what you support ?

 

Yes, deniers lack the evidence to proof that God dose not exist that Jesus is not the Son of God that the Bible is a fiction or Christianity is based on fiction.

There are clear evidence that Zeus is a myth we all know that and there are clear evidence that Zeus is not real. Do you have evidence to proof that Zeus is not myth?

Doubters will always deny because they are too lazy to provide any proof that is why deniers always get caught in the calamities. Katrina is coming please evacuate your homes..... doubters say no way until they get swept away.
Deniers will never be able to provide any proof against the Bible because the Bible is truth and the only way for deniers to provide proof is with falsehood.

 

You have put words in your own mouth you don't need me to do that for you all I did was to clarify your own claims of fallacy.

If you know the story of Thor is fiction then why compare it to the Bible? The strawman is you claiming Thor or Zeus are real and your inability to provide any proof to claim that the Bible is fiction.

So far you have not been able to provide any easy answer just full of faults.

I don't even have to use the Bible to refute this wild claim about Thor all scientist this include the most atheist Steven Hawkins know that Thor is a myth. If that is what you believe then all I can say is need more education.

For someone who believe Thor is not fiction is nonsensical

Numbers 22:28 Then the LORD opened the donkey's mouth, and it said to Balaam, "What have I done to you to make you beat me these three times?"
What's wrong with God able to make a donkey speak?
The parting of the red sea.
The collapse of the walls of Jericho
The 10 plagues
The curing of lepers
The Resurrection

Nothing is impossible with God.