Part 29 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

I would agree that some of the Bible stories contain some actual history. This does not make all the stories true ????

The Iliad speaks of the city of Troy ... Guess what ! The city of Troy was a historical fact and the story of the Trojan horse may be as well.

This does not make all the stories true.

History itself is full of embellishment; much of the story might be true but - the victor writes the history books. The losers are often painted as worse "more evil" than they were and the cause of the victors more just than it was.

As far a eye-witness accounts of what happened in 32 AD. We have none. The accounts we do have are contradictory.

In the earliest writings from Paul, there are none of the stories about the life of Jesus. Clearly no one reported to Paul what happened.

The earliest account of the stories we associate with Jesus is the Gospel of Mark (60-80 AD). This author was thought to have been a companion/follower of Peter.

This person knows nothing of the virgin birth nor physical resurrection - Jesus walking around in the flesh after his death.

Paul knows nothing of the physical resurrection either. Paul likens the after death appearances of Jesus to his vision. Folks had visions ...big deal. People are still having visions of the virgin Mary.

Why did Mark not mention the virgin birth or resurrection ? It is not like the whole purpose of his writing down his account is not to show that Jesus is divine and that he was resurrected


This is exactly what Mark is trying to do. The beginning of Mark is "telling people how Jesus became deified". That is how the author of Mark starts his account. Jesus is deified during his baptism by John the Baptist.

It does not happen via "virgin birth". If the Author would have known this then this is where he would have began. He didn't.

The author of Mark ends his story with a resurrection. Resurrection was a teaching of Jesus so this is a fitting ending.

The author of Mark attempts to give proof of resurrection - The empty tomb. This is where the Gospel of Mark ends and the reader I left to come to his/her own conclusions.

Modern Bibles add in a made up ending. The so called "long ending" of Mark and there are a couple of variations. The original did not have this ending.

The oldest Bible in existence does not have this ending and there are numerous Bibles as late as 800 AD where Mark does not have the long ending. (Oops)

I have looked at some of these Older Bibles myself and I encourage you to do this as they are available on-line Sinaiticus for example:http://www.codexsinaiticus.org/en/

This is a from a simple google search but gives some background basics.

http://jamestabor.com/2012/08/25/th...-of-mark-and-why-it-makes-all-the-difference/


They may well have been an historical messianic leader who was the inspiration/founder of Christianity. If we were to claim that the NT contains any historical evidence at all it is that there was

1) no- virgin birth and
2) no - physically resurrected Jesus walking around talking to people after his death.

 

No god of any kind has ever proven that it exists. People don't have to prove that gods exist or don't exist. Gods have to prove that they exist. As Jesus' brothers said in John 7:4 if a god wants to beknow what's up with all of the secrecy? If a god exists then it should show itself to the world.

Bottom line: all gods are imaginary.

 

Some of the things in the story are historically accurate, names of rulers and so on ... some are not and are contradictory.

Just because the story gets some of the history right (and why would it not as the folks writing the story knew that history) does not make all of the stories about Jesus true.

 

Bible logic: Moses was in Egypt. Egypt is a real place. Therefore Moses was a real person.

 

Really???????? What school of logic did you attend?

 

So now you're saying that Moses was just an imaginary character. In another month you will become a full-fledged atheist.

 

And I only repeat what he claim just like you repeat what he claim.

 

Where did I say anything about Moses? Have you completely flipped out?

 

Anything, use your God given gift of creation maybe mix and match or produce some genetically modified tomatoes?

Yes there are many books which deny the existence of God and all those books lack any substantial credibility because of lack of proof and supporting evidences all based on personal claims that is why none of the deniers are able to use those books as references.

 

This is the reason why you are always in contradiction still denying that cannibalism did existed that ancient dinosaurs disappearance was due to a worldwide calamity and today's scientist including the most atheist scientist Steven Hawkins have all been echoing Noah's warning of a global catastrophe.

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I have never claim anything that you have posted about Thor or Zeus.

 

I agree that is why the Bible are not just text it is a historical and theological book full of historical text.

No I do not believe the Hindu gods and goddesses because it lack factual evidences about the existence of those gods and goddesses. The teachings of Hinduism contain many good ideologies and moral values that are better than atheism or communism.

Let us be clear here, your claim about Zeus not mine.
My claim and position Zeus is fiction and does not exist it is myth no doubt about that.

 

Let us be clear your claim about Thor or Zeus not mine.
My position is very clear Thor, Zeus or Hercules are all myth, fiction.

Comparing real horses with Thor the mythological god has no comparison at all. Thor / Zeus are fiction, horses are real you can even make it 1 million or billion to one your Thor will never be real.

4 year old understand that Thor, Iron Man are fiction it is sad that some adults do not.

I welcome that Steven Hawkins might believe in God.

Feel pain to yourself for not been able to distinguish between fiction and reality.

 

No you did not. Quit making things up. You did not repeat my claim you made up something else.

Show where I said that I believe in Greek Myths ?

Quit misrepresenting what others say.

 

I know what your position is. You however can not seem to grasp what mine is.

The stories about Thor are no more or less real than the stories about El Shaddai in the Bible.

Similar mythical stories different God ... or perhaps the same on in a different guise who knows. Certainly not you or I.

No more or less so than the fictional Bible stories about talking Donkeys.

That had nothing to do with the point dense one.

Do not blame me that you do not understand the difference between "believing a claim to be false" and a declaration that there is no possibility that the claim true.

Did you graduate from high school ?

 

You did too. My accusation against you is 100% true.

I never stated that the Zeus stories were not Myth

Shut up already.

 

Either you do not understand my posts or are just so deluded that you are incapable of responding to them.

Your responses do not relate to the comments they are in response to so there is no point.

 

I agree that there is no point for your involvement in this forum discussion with WanRen. He is at least participating in the habitation of the Holy Spirit.

 

I suppose that some would claim that evil spirit's are Holy; Spirits who deceive and twist logic to the point where they can justify killing of pregnant women, children and babies in the name of God.

If you and WR want to engage in habitation with such spirits that is fine. And you are correct in that there is no point in having a discussion with someone who's mind is so twisted that they can not respond with anything other than gibberish.

 

The entire forum knows you are in like with worldwide cannibalism. It is no secret. And you made zero attempt to refute.

Yes, I said the entire forum, in case you want to ask a question. No I don't have irrefutable proof. Your lack to deny is all the proof needed.

 

No he is participating as a voice for the dark one, satan. He established that fact a long time ago.

But you made an assertive claim, provide your proof.

 

Let us make this simple and clear things up once and for all.
Do you believe the Thor / Zeus stories are fiction-myth yes or no?

 

Name one person that you personally know who has committed such an atrocity. Bet you cannot name such a person. If you don't know them personally, then you are acting upon hearsay evidence.

In other words, you are indicating that you cannot refute what I am saying. OK.

 

Of course my position is clear I believe and accept in the historicity of the Bible.
You are mixing Bible historicity with fictional and mythological stories of Thor and Zeus.

First things first do you believe Thor story is fiction or not?
El Shaddai in the Bible is as real as Julius Caesar, Alexander the Great, Pontius Pilate, Caiaphas, King Harold, the story of the 300 Spartans, the fall of the Roman Empire, Islam, Crusade.

We know that those mythical gods and goddesses are fiction because of the absent of facts and evidences. Why you don't know I don't know why?

The problem is not the talking donkey the problem is your misquoting the Bible.

Steven Hawkins position is very clear he does not believe in God or gods. Why is it that you are now contradicting him?

Even a 4 year old can answer if Thor is fiction or not.

Yes I graduate from high school that is why I can better understand fiction and myth.

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It is your point not mine. My point is very clear God exist and he proof that as Jesus Christ.

 

I doubt that seriously. There are far too many members on this forum to account for the few readings of that thread. Besides, you have never shown any PROOF of that claim. Clicking a like button does not necessarily mean a liking of the content, but could also mean a liking of his tenacity in standing up for what he believes. Try again.

 

There is nothing to refute about historical truth only deniers argue endlessly against truth with no result they argue just for the sake to argue.