Part 3 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

You really should not quote something and not give a link to it....dishonest as hell.

http://mysavior.info/article/338

 

Is it possible for a human (other than Jesus, Mary) to be "free of sin" while alive in this world?

 

The flood happened roughly 4000-4400 years ago according to the Bible.

We know a great deal about various cultures that existed at that time. There was continuous culture in China, India, Africa, Egypt, Australia, South America, Mesopotamia and Europe throughout this time period.

Things did not suddenly stop because of some flood. These cultures carried on throughout this time period which refutes the idea that there was some flood that spared only Noah and family at this time.

The Bible also states that Noah lived on 400 years or more after the flood. Noah lives well into Abrahams time.

This is most important because it means that everyone living at the time would have known that Noah and sons were the fathers of all humanity.

We have numerous creation accounts from various cultures living before and after the time of Abraham.

If the some of the great grandfathers of all humanity are still alive at this time, and obviously everyone living at that time would know this, then how come when they wrote the stories of their origin .. Noah is not mentioned ?

What is perhaps even stranger, is that not even the Bible mentions Noah after the flood account. Not a word from Abraham or those that come before or after him.

 

The dead sea scrolls were of the OT. Of course they are going to be the same as the OT which was written 400 years earlier.

The evidence for editing, tampering, revision, interpolation, addition, and omission from the NT is unquestioned by experts that study its contents.

We have no copies of Bibles from the 3rd century ( you mean to say 4th century = 325) .

We do have a copy of some of these older Bibles and there are numerous "significant changes". The books included have changed, and there are changes to the books that remain.

The long ending of Mark for example was not in the original. This is important because the long ending is the account of the resurrection. In the original version the story ends with an empty tomb.

Students that attend "real seminaries", as opposed to the silly 2-4 year evangelical or pentecostal churn out a minister program, where the students learn Latin, Greek, and Hebrew, are taught that the Bible has changed over time.

That Christ cried "tears of blood" for example was a later inclusion to make Christ seem more human so as to adhere better to the dogma of the day.

The real mess is when you examine the pre-Bible material. This stuff is full of edits, interpolation and so on.

Your dating of the NT is a bit generous ... see here for a better summation http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/

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Pathetic indeed.

 

We can certainly give a positive account of many things that did not happen.

The earth was not hit by a giant asteroid.

The USA was not covered by molten lava

Nobody was eaten by a T. rex

There was no flood.

Its a shabby faith that has to be kept afloat with falsehoods.

 

No one can be sure that we weren't created 5 minutes ago with everything around us having the appearance of being far older, including our memories. Would you then say that you can't trust anything older than what is currently occurring?

 

Say that again no asteroid giant or not ever hit earth?
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/meteorite-strikes-central-russia-hundreds-injured/article8711190/

Not only was the USA once a molten lava but the entire earth.

The Earth's surface was originally molten, as it cooled the volcanoes belched out massive amounts of CARBON DIOXIDE, STEAM, AMMONIA and METHANE. There was NO OXYGEN. The STEAM condensed to form water which then produced shallow seas.

Evidence points to bacteria flourishing 3.8 billion years ago so this means that life got under way about 700 million years after the Earth was created. Such early forms of life existed in the shallow oceans close to thermal vents, these vents were a source of heat and minerals.
http://www.moorlandschool.co.uk/earth/earthorigin.htm

And the T-Rex is a carnivorous dinasour that eats any meat on site.

Unless you are denying all your secular science because if that is the case what else is left????

 

What do you mean by fix their own mess?

So, God can break the laws of logic. Just say that.

What evidence do we have of that?

So now you admit that the Bible isn't clear on how God actually creates anything. So now we are left with even bigger questions of how God exists and how he operates.

Dude. ENGLISH. And evolution hasn't stopped, every generation of humans (including you) has 60 new mutations that their parents didn't have.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_human_evolution

None of that indicates that God considered it a sacrifice to become human.

WanRen, you thought that the Crusades were started by the Templar Knights, you don't really have a leg to stand on in criticizing me about my education.

That is the only things ALL Catholics teach?

I quoted the verse too, it is in every version of the Bible.

Not according to Deuteronomy.

Nope, I mean spoon fed in that God revealed himself specifically to the Israelites and not any other ethnic or religious group.

So what? That isn't what we were talking about, we were discussing the unrighteous people who wrote the Bible

First contradiction: Mark 16:2 says that they went to the tomb just after sunrise.
Second contradiction: Mark has Jesus appear to Mary before she goes to the disciples and the women do not tell what they had seen at the tomb to anyone.

Shall I continue?

 

Simple, if men have been endowed with the ability of intelligiance to thrive and to settle their differences with out having to extinguish each other if men can not settle that then that's the time God wll step in as the final arbiter, judge and jury.

God is logic, He is beyond logic therefore nothing to break only men are govern with law of logic and law of nature.

Scientist will and have spend countless hours researching the origin of man and universe just like the church fathers have and is still doing. And everytime scientist discover something the more they discover something missing example: they claim they have discover the smallest particle the particle that started everything which they called the God-particle but now they are self guessing themselves is this really the smallest of the smallest? What if there is a smaller particle? And how about the universe? The more scientist discover new stuff the more they are further away from the truth and the more they will continue to seek and ask themselves how, and how and how the universe begun?

You are the one that does not accept the Bible, I accept the Bible is clear in regards to creation, existence of God and how God operates.

So why have you not or humans evolve back to apes or why no more apes for the last thousand years let us start at the year of Our Lord 1 AD has evolve into humans?

You are confusing between evolution into another species with mutation to resistance to bacteria.

On the contrary the Bible is very clear that Jesus Christ has died for our sins.

You don't even know why and how the crusade begun you have this impression it wasn't because of Muslim aggression. The Templars were the ones who introduce Catholic Holy warriors. The first crusade consist mainly of secular soldiers no actual Holy warriors, the Templars will inspire and become the backbone of the crusades.

 

Quote Posted by Stagnant:

So the chaff is... um... People who won't get down on their knees before God? Like, say, Ghandi?
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You give Ghandi too much credit. He was just another human being that was a sinner like everyone else. There is absolutely no human who was or is great enough or will ever be great enough for that matter not to bow down to Almighty God, the Creator of the universe and everything that exists.

 

And God couldn't endow them with that ability? And I don't see how "fixing their own mess" would do anything. God has set it upon himself to judge everybody, not just those that "can't fix their mess".

God cannot be logic and be beyond logic at the same time. That is inherently contradictory.

No evidence points to any personal deity interacting with the world. Scientists rely on evidence, not "what things are leading to" as you claim.

Okay, then how did he do it? How did God create the Universe?

How about you actually read what I said this time since I already explained this to you in the previous thread. Other primates are not evolving into humans, that isn't how evolution works. Humans are not the "end stage" of evolution.

Nope. Mutations are the basis for evolution. Mutations spreading throughout a population is evolution. You must be caught up on the creationist claim that microevolution and macroevolution are different processes.

THAT IS NOT WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.

You said that God's sacrifice was becoming human, THAT is what we were talking about. Now you're saying God's sacrifice was that he died for our sins. WHICH IS IT?

You previously claimed that the Templars were the motivations for the First Crusade. The organization wasn't created until after the First Crusade.

Psst: I just pointed out contradictions in your Bible, I'd like you to respond to them. I'd also like for you to acknowledge that you haven't read Deuteronomy since you tried claiming the verse I posted was from... "The Old Testament Bible" whatever the hell that means. Too bad that verse is in every Bible, huh?

 

Quote Posted by Stagnant:
In fact, virtually everyone on The Atheist Experience has a very deep understanding of the bible - most of them became atheists after reading it. Then there's Brett Palmer, also fresh out of a bible study course. Klingschor, who knows more about the Qur'an than most Muslims do. Christopher Hitchens and Sam Harris, each of which spent most of their adult lives studying the bible and Christianity. This idea that most atheists are uninformed about the bible is bull(*)(*)(*)(*) - especially because Over half of atheists are former Christians. It's a relatively common theme among atheists - "I was a Christian, and then I decided to read the bible cover to cover, and I just couldn't believe it after I was done." So, really, cut the bull(*)(*)(*)(*).
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You've only mentioned a few atheists who have studied and read the bible and yet you deny the claim that most atheists are uninformed about the bible...such ludicrousness! The truth is most atheists are uninformed about the bible.

Most of them all they do is pick out certain verses out of context and then misunderstand the true meaning of what the entire passage was about. I know the majority will never read the entire bible from start to finish. What would motivate them to do that, first off they don't believe in God and anything to do with God they want to stay as far away as they can.

Yes, most atheists are uninformed about the bible, they just don't understand it period.
Though it is true that there are atheists who were former Christians, it is also true that there are Christians who were former atheists. What does all this prove? It just goes to show there are people who are still puzzled and not sure about their beliefs.

 

Did I miss the response?

 

At least pay attention to the spell check function even if you cant use English grammar, you wont look quite so ridiculous.

 

If God is against gay anal sex, why did he make man with the male equivalent of the female G-spot in his anus?

 

http://www.allaboutgod.com/truth-topics/canaanites.htm
http://www.allaboutgod.com/truth-topics/canaanites.htm

I guess through their great great great grandfather or something. Huh?

 

Quote Posted by taikoo:

Anti science bigots (fundies) are always deplorably ignorant about science.

Their idea of an argument is always a straw man, a misrepresentation /distortion, or of course, the flat out lie.

All the while claiming to believe in "god", as they sally forth to spew falsehoods in his name.

Of course, they think they are better informed than any scientist on earth, for, lo they know the Truth
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Above is a typical emotionally biased expression coming from an atheist...such ludicrousness!...lol

 

Against the rules, is it not?