Part 8 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

Then you clearly didn't read anything Charles Darwin wrote. He uses the term ape in the same fashion that modern biologists use it.

And you clearly don't have any clue how taxonomic systems works. The only reason that we place species into specific taxonomic groups is to show common ancestry. Meaning, humans share a common ancestor with every other species in Hominidae.

So your argument is that since there are other uses to the word ape, humans aren't apes when somebody uses the word ape to mean "monkey". Well, no (*)(*)(*)(*), WanRen. Except that would mean you're ignoring that the word ape is also used to refer to EVERY species in the Homonidae family. And guess who belongs to that family?

 

It is only seen as dishonest by those who refuse to read and study with an open mind. If you wish to deny what is happening around you so be it.
You have no proof of your statement that 'nothing has changed from its inception'. To claim that is just as dishonest. It is only your belief.

 

You do not know anything about Christianity. That is why you have drown yourself in all kinds of lies and distortions and it took a person like me with very poor English to expose a person like you who claim to be a mastery of the English language,,hahahaha

 

Quote Posted by Akhlut on pg. 52 #514 of Part 3

Humans are demonstrably not horses; we are, however, demonstrably apes and it can be argued that we are machines
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True: Humans are demonstrably not horses

False: Humans are demonstrably apes

False: Humans are machines

You got 1 of 3 correct...sorry but you failed!

 

Good, now you know so hopefully you will stop flip flopping it does not take an English master to see your lies and distortions
Here don't be like this;

[video=youtube;XvBdZBl4u7I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvBdZBl4u7I[/video]

 

Remember your false "fact" that the moon has no air?

.......silence.........

Cant ever admit to being wrong can you

 

That same lie over and over. I never made that claim.
Did you know that some believe that if you say the same lie three times,you lose your soul?

When did you surrender to the dark?

 

Quote Posted by Akhlut on pg. 52 #514 of Part 3

Machine is a very vague word that not terribly descriptive, so describing humans as such does not necessarily imply anything untoward (cars, mousetraps, nuclear fission reactors, refrigerators, and so forth are all machines, and humans are integral to such machines as simple levers and wedges that aren't hooked up to motors, thus making humans machines in the more traditional sense when they are using an axe or crowbar just as surely as a pneumatic log splitter is a machine).
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Here is what you are missing. Machines are creations of human beings, designed and programmed to do a certain tasks for the benefit of us human beings.

Human beings have a conscience, machines don't.

I could go on but I'm sure you're getting the point.

 

Quote Posted by AlphaOmega on pg. 52 #516 of Part 3

We can see evolution in every single living thing on earth including humans. We have wisdom teeth and the appendix. We needed wisdom teeth to crush bones early in our evolution. As our brains got larger and we became smarter our wisdom teeth were no longer needed and our jaws are no longer large enough to hold them. Almost everyone has them removed. Some people are even born without them. This is evidence we are still evolving.
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So you were around when humans used their wisdom teeth to crush bones?

You are very good in just making up stuff, stuff that you have no way of proving.

When someone is born without wisdom teeth it doesn't mean they are evolving but rather it means they have some kind of a defect.

Some people are born without limbs does that mean we are evolving into human beings that are all going to be missing limbs eventually in the future?

Perhaps we will evolved into zombies someday?...lol You are watching too many sci-fi movies!

 

His point was that vestigial organs are evidence of evolution.

 

Modern biologist is trying to separate ape from humans, Darwin literally was referring to humans evolve from apes.

Hominidae is not an ape. From the huminidae is spread out to apes and humans. What you can not accept is that humans did not evolve from apes.

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/oct/17/skull-homo-erectus-human-evolution

"What all this screams out for is more and better specimens. We need skeletons, more complete material, so we can look at them from head to toe," he added. "Any time a scientist says 'we've got this figured out' they are probably wrong. It's not the end of the story."

The word ape was wrongly use by early scientist because they really thought that humans evolve from apes because of their first time discoveries they found with the physical similarities between apes and humans mainly in Africa and now we are learning they were wrong but because the word has been use for a long time it stuck so now modern science try to explain or change that by explaining that it is not ape such as a monkey, why try to explain why not just refer humans as humans and apes as apes! The more I read many of the their theories that more it is sounding like Lord of the Rings dwarfs, elves, Orcs, and humans. There are two type of science, fiction-science and factual-science.

 

You mean you never claim my English is bad??? now, now you are lying big time not only do you claim my English is so bad but you also pride yourself to be master of the English language.
I don't think you know anything about soul just like you know nothing about Christianity.
Here are some attributes of Christians:
1. We are against tyranny
2. Against bullies
3. Against communist
4. We love our enemies
5. We recognize freedom

Do you understand that? maybe you don't and I can understand.

 

Funny, I thought when you said christian, that meant a follower of Jesus and his teachings. I never knew Jesus to be against anything. Except hypocrisy and perjury.
Ooops, looks like taikoo has you figured out. Better change or you'll be with those you hate, er love, for all eternity.

Seems you have your own version of things to be against and its not what Jesus was against.

 

No, its not what I mean. How hard to you have to twist to change it that much!

Of course I said it, your English is very poor. Even you admit that.

But its not what I meant when I said that you are lying when you claim
I am "a mastery" (sic) of English.

So there you go twisting words, tho it may simply be you really dont understand much of anything.

Show me where i ever said that, or be exposed even to yourself as the lair you are. I have never said it.

Find the quote and I will leave the forum forever, and you can claim victory. But you wont, because it does not exist except in your fevered imagination.

Just repeating what I have heard said. You might want to take heed about how many times you can tell the same lie and then plead innocent.

good, so am I

I dont like them either

Eight members of my family were killed by communists.

The way to say it is "against communism" or, "against communists".
You are using an adjective as a noun.

Let me know if you moved half way around the world to avoid communists or had any family members killed.

We dont feel any love in your posts, full of anger and falsehoods.
I on the other hand, dont personally care for you very much, but I do feel compassion and hope you will do better in the future. You might become far more likable in the process.

Compassion and hope beats anger and falsehood any day of the week, dont you think so?

I like it myself.

Understanding other people is not one of your strong points.

 

We all have it figured out, all but WR.
I do hope for his sake that he will have some sort of epiphany about it, and improve his ways.

 

Then I guess placing homo sapiens in the "Great Apes" taxonomic family was a bad move.

Which is the accepted scientific consensus. You claimed earlier that Darwin was referring to us evolving from monkeys when he used the term ape. That just isn't true.

Hominidae is a group consisting of apes. And you clearly have a problem accepting the scientific consensus behind human evolution. Why do you think that we did not evolve from apes?

What early scientists? How did they use the word wrong?

Ape never meant monkey in biology. The problem is that you think it did, for some reason, and you're upset because you don't want to distinguish between how the word is used in modern science and how it was/is used generically.

 

Humans did NOT evolve from apes, monkeys, or lemurs.....though all the above share a common ancestor.

Modern Apes simply did not exist when the Genus Homo branched off one way, and early apes went another.

 

While we may not have evolved from modern apes, we certainly evolved from earlier ape-like creatures which would probably be considered apes in our modern taxonomy.

 

I suppose we could imagine this to be true, though calling these creatures Apes would be inaccurate based simply on the taxonomy alone.

"Primates are relative newcomers on our planet. The earliest ones are found in the fossil record dating to 50-55 million years ago. These first prosimians thrived during the Eocene Epoch. There were no monkeys or apes for them to compete with yet. By the time of the transition to the Oligocene Epoch, monkeys had begun to evolve from prosimians and became the dominant primates. Many of the prosimian species became extinct probably as a consequence. By the early Miocene Epoch, apes had evolved from monkeys and displaced them from many environments. In the late Miocene, the evolutionary line leading to hominins finally became distinct. This hominin line included our direct ancestors. "

 

How so? The above states the apes evolved in the early Miocene and that apes that were our direct ancestors evolved in the late Miocene.

 

I suppose it is a matter of symantics.....nevermind.

 

Surely the point is that man has evolved down the millenia - not been created - as the Bible says

 

I knew you will be attempting to distort my post again so here pay attention; Here are some attributes of Christians: now that you have brought up that Christians are followers of Christ this prove that in some ways you do know something about Christians so I will continue here are more as followers of Christ we Christians are against evil and yes taikoo and you got busted again for attempting to distort my post. So here are more attributes of being a Christian:
6. Do not hate
7. Do not lie
8. Do not be afraid of evil
9. Be smart to identify evil where ever they may hide or disguise themselves
10. Most of all do not do nothing against evil

You and taikoo would want me to go away and do nothing against all your lies and distortions right, well sorry to disappoint you guys I am not going away because if I do it will be very unchristian of me to let you guys get away with your lies and distortions about the Bible.

 

The one who is lying here is the one who claims that I ever said that I am a "master of English". He claims it over and over, yet, it is a lie. Proof?
He cannot produce a quote, there is none to find.

Christians do not lie, so we hear.

Enough said about who is not a Christian.

 

Of course I admit what I said that my English is poor and you who claim to be master of the English language i snow saying I am lying about you???

I don't need to twist your words, it is your own words not mine.

No I do not want you to leave the forum, this forum needs you because with out your post we will never be able to establish truth you see, truth and lies goes hand in hand just like good and evil how can you know what is good when you do not understand evil. Truth becomes truth when lies and distortions are successfully refuted. If you leave this forum, then I will have to also because my mission will be accomplish.

I am just repeating yours and rectifying it.

I had family members that not only were killed but fought against communist forces of Mao Tse Tung and North Koreans.

I have no anger on your post in fact I like it because it allows me to refute them and present the truth.

I can say the same with you.

Do not forget TRUTHFULNESS you must be truthful and not attempt to distort but most of all when expose be a man and admit you fault and not keep on avoiding and avoiding.

On the contrary, that is why I was able to refute your wild claims because I understand people like you.