Part 8 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

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  1. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

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    Every creature living and none living evolve from the God-particle the atom of all atoms.
    Fiction-Science just came up with this amazing theory and story how humans evolve from apes just because they met some monkeys in newly discover regions in Africa, America and Asia that looks or have some same physical attributes to humans. They have this fictitious earth of orcs, elves, dwarfs, leprechauns, hobbit, humans, wizards and ghouls that inhabited earth some million of years ago and they fought against each other for dominance and survival until finally humans won that would pave the way for the creation, evolution and expansion of modern human civilization.
     
  2. Mitt Ryan

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    Quote Posted by Akhlut on pg. 52 #512 of Part 3

    However, modern Homo sapiens evolved from Sahelanthropus which eventually evolved into the various Australopithecine apes which evolved into the various species in the genus Homo.
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    A lot of guessing and speculating must be going on to think we could actually know what occured some 85 million years ago...and to think there are people giving this more credibility than the historical record of our beloved Lord Savior Jesus Christ who lived only a mere 2,000 years ago...my! my! such ludicrousness I'd say!
     
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    Strange. You should know, if you know your Bible, that Jesus often walked away when people refused to accept him, and accused him of all sorts of things. He even told his disciples, when he sent them out, that when rejected they should shake the dust of that place off their feet and move on where they were accepted.
     
  4. Mitt Ryan

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    Quote Posted by Akhlut on pg. 52 #514 of Part 3

    Where's your proof on the non-existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster?
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    Everyone knows, well maybe not everyone, that the FSM is just a parody religion.

    It was created by this goofball Bobby Henderson in 2005 to protest the Kansas State Board of Education decision to permit teaching intelligent design as an alternative to evolution in public school science classes.

    But hey if you insist that the FSM is real, well go on right ahead and keep believing it, believe me I will not ask you for proof because I just don't care about the FSM...lol
     
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    The Higgs Boson isn't an atom, and I don't see how a living creature could evolve from a sub-atomic particle related to the Higgs Field.

    That isn't what happened. Do you just make up alternative history to make your BS specious?

    Yeah, LOTR is totally the theory of evolution. :rolleyes:

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    Nobody is claiming that we know what happened because that isn't what science is used for. We have pretty damn good evidence that this is the case, but nobody is saying that it is a certainty.

    LoL, what historical record? Nobody wrote about Jesus while he was alive and people only began writing stories about him 30-40 years after his death.
     
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    Why demand Abraham kill his own son when God knew exactly what Abraham was going to do before he did it?
     
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    The "God particle" is not an atom, now is it the ancestor of atoms.

    The nature and purpose of the Higgs Boson has been explained to you multiple times (very slowly each time), why do you continue to intentionally misrepresent science?

    Why do you lie? Were you not just boasting about how lieing is against your beliefs? LOL
     
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    There you did it, you lied yet again. I have never made that claim.
    Lie lie lie, over and over. What is wrong with you?


    But you cant produce the quote, can you? Because i never said it.

    You have shown to all that you are on the side of lies. Learn not to do it any more, save yourself.



    making up something I've never said is now called "rectifying"? wow.








    Sorry they were killed, Mao was responsible for deaths in my family too.
    So what is "special" about "christians" that they dont like commiies?
    Nothing.


    You wont succeed until you quit repeating this stupid lie that I said I am a master of english.


    i wont be a man no matter what i am expsoed to, sorry. Its not in my genetics.
    But you could take your own advice, and quit repeating this same lie about
    how i claim to be a master of english. You know i've never said it.




    If you even understood yourself, you'd figure out how to quit making up lies.
     
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    It can be discussed when you learn how to comprehend and type english. It will help with your confusion.
     
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    To show what christians should not do. Kinda like anti-christ.
     
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    I know my Bible that is why I can identify any attempts to distort the Bible. Yes Jesus taught us not to draw our swords and at the same time he also taught us not to do nothing against evil.
    Proverbs 21:15 When justice is done, it is a joy to the righteous but terror to evildoers.

    Romans 13:4 For he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer.


    Here is a nice one specially since I have been call a fool many times;
    Matthew 5:22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.

    Anti Christian have always invoked to Christians this thing about not fighting back that it is against our Christian principle they do that so that they can slaughter us easily at the same time they forgot that God Himself has order His top arc Angels Gabriel and Michael to defend heaven against Lucifer, we are servants of God, we are His soldiers and we only put our swords and shields away when evil has been defeated.
     
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    I am not the one who is confuse but you that is why you can not post anything substantial about the topic except only about me.

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    The God-particle is not an atom? Humans are not apes.
     
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    Jesus Christ on a cross dude, read a book.

    The Higgs Boson is not an atom. Humans are apes. You are comparing biology and physics, laughable.

    Why lie? Is your argument truly that weak?
     
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    Ahhhh yes, but confusion say, I can not tell the truuf.
     
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    Do you believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God and is God? If not why?
     
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    First off let's clear something here, God did not demand Abraham to kill his own son, in the sense that He threatened Abraham to carry it out or else. And so using the word demand seems a bit harsh and inappropriate here, more suitable words would be authorize or command.

    So re-writing the question: Why did God command/authorize Abraham to kill his own son when God knew exactly what Abraham was going to do before he did it?

    You had asked a similar question and I answered it on the thread titled, "Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity" on pg. 23 #221. Below was my answer and hopefully you take note of it this time otherwise you will keep asking the same questions over and over, are you running out of new questions to ask or what?...lol So below was my response.

    Very good question. Let me explain as thoroughly as I can be so to bring understanding as to why God test people if He already knows what they will do. Using the testing of Abraham the father of the Jewish nation of Israel in Scripture is the best way to explain it.

    Abraham's Faith Tested. "Abraham!" God called. "Yes," he replied. "Here I am." "Take your son, your only son--yes, Isaac, whom you love so much--and go to the land of Moriah. Go and sacrifice him as a burnt offering on one of the mountains, which I will show you." Gen. 22:1-2 NLT

    When they arrived at the place where God had told him to go, Abraham built an altar and arranged the wood on it. Then he tied his son, Isaac, and laid him on the altar on top of the wood. And Abraham picked up the knife to kill his son as a sacrifice. At that moment the angel of the Lord called to him from heaven, "Abraham! Abraham! "Yes," Abraham replied, "Here I am!" "Don't lay a hand on the boy!" the angel said. "Do not hurt him in any way, for now I know that you truly fear God. You have not withheld from me even your son, your only son." Gen. 22:9-12 NLT

    God knew Abraham's faith, knew that he would kill his son as a sacrifice, so why did God need to test him? Furthermore, If God knows all things, why did He say (through His angel)..."I know now" as though He had not known it before? Did God require evidence to be convinced of the faith of Abraham? We will see that something else is at work in this passage.

    Scripture tells us God knows all things, past, present, future. Everything that is exists only because He knows it. So for God "not to know" is for the thing not only not exist but unable to exist. All that has being or could possibly have being is known to God. There can be no sense whatsoever in which God looks to the world so as to grow in knowledge of that which He has created. God is all about Truth.

    God not only knew Abraham's faith, but also knew Abraham would be willing to offer his son Isaac in a sacrifice. God knows all that will ever be and, while still respecting human freedom, He without error knew all that Abraham would freely choose. So we can be certain that God did not test Abraham in order to discover whether he had true faith.

    God "tested" Abraham to make his faith known both to himself (Abraham) and to all the world. God put Abraham to the test as a way of revealing to all people that Abraham is truly the Father of believers.

    It happens in Scripture that God is said to “know” something, in the sense that He “makes it to be known.” Likewise, God is said to “not know” something, insofar as he “does not make it to be known.” Thus it is that, in this passage, God tests Abraham – not as seeking knowledge, but as making truth to be known to others.

    The angel, speaking in the person of God, says, "For now I know that you truly fear God" It is not as though it is only at this late moment, when Abraham has offered his son Isaac to God, that God has come to know of Abraham’s faith – God was not learning something new here. Rather, it was at this moment that God (through his angelic messenger) has made Abraham’s faith to be known both to Abraham and to all.

    In summary, the testing of Abraham was not unto God’s benefit, but for Abraham (the father of the Jewish nation of Israel) sake and ours. So when God test people it is really for their benefit.
     
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    whaaa....at....u...sa...ayyy??
     
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    3 scriptures totally irrelevant to the matter we were talking about.
    Proverbs is talking about Justice.
    Romans you have taken completely out of context. It is talking about respecting secular authority.
    Matthew is Jesus teaching about anger. It has nothing to do with walking away.

    Twice Paul himself 'walked away' from situations to avoid trouble, when he realised he was not wanted. Another time he set the leaders against themselves to get himself out of a difficult situation.

    Like Jesus, Paul knew when it was the right time to take 'evasive' action, and when it was the right time to stand and 'fight'.

    Not all Christians do. Some prefer to be martyrs when it is not necessary.

    In the early days of Christianity we know that groups of Christians deliberately set out to upset authorities so they might be martyrs in the cause of Christ. Many were killed.
     
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    Quote by WarRen

    Anti Christian have always invoked to Christians this thing about not fighting back that it is against our Christian principle they do that so that they can slaughter us easily at the same time they forgot that God Himself has order His top arc Angels Gabriel and Michael to defend heaven against Lucifer, we are servants of God, we are His soldiers and we only put our swords and shields away when evil has been defeated.

    It's fairly obvious that you enjoy being opposed because you think you are doing God's will. Most Christians I know go quietly about their lives showing their Christian values by their actions. Of course they discuss their beliefs with others but bear no animosity for not being believed.

    There were times in the lives of OT characters when they took a step back from overwhelming odds and waited the right time to go forward.
    Elijah moved out of Jezebels reach into the desert until the time came and God opened another way for him.
    David, as King, retreated from Jerusalem to Mahanaim, west of the Jordan, when faced with the might of Absalom, his sons, army. It wasn't until he had reformed his army that he was able to face and defeat Absalom. Not the only time David retreated, although King he acknowledged his faults.
    Jesus took time out to relax and pray alone.
     
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    So that is your bible, no wonder I knew it and have said back then you have your own bible you should read the real Holy Bible here read the real Gospel; (I am not going to accuse you of distortion or lying because surely you are using a wrong bible and your truth is base on that wrong bible of yours)

    Genesis 22
    Some time later God tested Abraham. He said to him, “Abraham!”

    “Here I am,” he replied.

    2 Then God said, “Take your son, your only son, whom you love—Isaac—and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on a mountain I will show you.”

    3 Early the next morning Abraham got up and loaded his donkey. He took with him two of his servants and his son Isaac. When he had cut enough wood for the burnt offering, he set out for the place God had told him about. 4 On the third day Abraham looked up and saw the place in the distance. 5 He said to his servants, “Stay here with the donkey while I and the boy go over there. We will worship and then we will come back to you.”

    6 Abraham took the wood for the burnt offering and placed it on his son Isaac, and he himself carried the fire and the knife. As the two of them went on together, 7 Isaac spoke up and said to his father Abraham, “Father?”

    “Yes, my son?” Abraham replied.

    “The fire and wood are here,” Isaac said, “but where is the lamb for the burnt offering?”

    8 Abraham answered, “God himself will provide the lamb for the burnt offering, my son.” And the two of them went on together.

    9 When they reached the place God had told him about, Abraham built an altar there and arranged the wood on it. He bound his son Isaac and laid him on the altar, on top of the wood. 10 Then he reached out his hand and took the knife to slay his son. 11 But the angel of the Lord called out to him from heaven, “Abraham! Abraham!”

    “Here I am,” he replied.

    12 “Do not lay a hand on the boy,” he said. “Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son.”

    13 Abraham looked up and there in a thicket he saw a ram[a] caught by its horns. He went over and took the ram and sacrificed it as a burnt offering instead of his son. 14 So Abraham called that place The Lord Will Provide. And to this day it is said, “On the mountain of the Lord it will be provided.”

    15 The angel of the Lord called to Abraham from heaven a second time 16 and said, “I swear by myself, declares the Lord, that because you have done this and have not withheld your son, your only son, 17 I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore. Your descendants will take possession of the cities of their enemies, 18 and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed,[c] because you have obeyed me.”
     
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    I enjoy opposing those who love to intentionally distort the Bible and as I said if we don't speak up or stand up and defend the truth they will get away and soon falsehood will over take truth.

    Yes, and that is what we do there is a time for peace and time for war and after we have peaceful try to present the truth and they still continue to distort then we must not let them get away with it it is only in open and continuous discussion debate and conversation that truth matters.
     
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    That avatar of a warrior kneeling before a cup floating in the air is just too weird.
     
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    I bet you can probably guess my answer.

    Why lie? Is your argument truly that weak?
     
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    Have you said nothing that was not true, because you had no argument, or just could not admit to being wrong?
     
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