Part 9 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

Quote Posted by Woody on pg. 75 #743 of Part 3

What facts? What history? You basing the Gospels on history? They are not history they are an anthology. No where do they state they are writing a history of anything much less about a character they never laid eyes on.
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Anthology...you say and not history?...sorry not quite an accurate thorough description but of course not surprising when it comes from...you know who?...lol

The Bible consist of real-life historical accounts as a matter of fact the documents of the whole Bible besides the real-life historical accounts also consist of law books, poetry, wisdom writings, prophecies, eye witness accounts and letters. All this was written and compiled over a period of about 1,200 years.

God used many authors--as many as forty from varied backgrounds including statemen, historians, leaders, prophets-who were priests, shepherds and farmers, governors, kings, a tax collector, a physician, a business man, a fisherman, and a theologically trained academic.

Most of these people never met and yet there is a fundamental unity about the whole Bible. This is most remarkable and very compelling, and leads to the conclusion that the Bible is much more than just a human document. The Bible is not a set of men's ideas about God, but a revelation of Himself by God to man.

 

Quote Posted by dairyair on pg. 75 #747 of Part 3 in response to WanRen's post

You are not ignorant of scripture you are anti scripture that is why you don't want to accept any explanation except that it is wrong and false. Just like now your heart is harden like the Pharaoh. (Post by WanRen)

So you are again refusing to answer the restated question? Clearly the passages(note many) state, God hardened the pharoah's heart. It is undeniable. Are you denying it? (Post by dairyair in response to WanRen's post above)
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No, God did not harden pharoah's heart. You are misinterpreting the Scripture. I have thoroughly explained it on pg. 1 #4 on this thread Part 9.

WanRen and myself stand firm on this, Pharoah hardened his own heart, for he was a stubborn man, but again I explained it thoroughly on pg. 1.

 

Scripture is very clear and plain on this. God hardened Pharoah's heart. The bible is not grey on this topic.
Please learn the quote function. You have been here long enough. You have no excuse.

 

He's doing it post after post now. I have no idea how many times he has quoted me in the past as I was never notified. Please regard any of my quotes from him as N/A. I was not aware he was quoting me and therefore have no idea how it was twisted.

 

King James Bible

And the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh, and he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had spoken unto Moses.

Exodus 9:12

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King James Bible

And the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh, and he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had spoken unto Moses.

Exodus 9:12

 

Whilst I do not believe in the Exodus, and therefore the argument going on, I do accept there is another way of looking at this.
The Hebrew belief was that God was their God, and everything that happened to them was at his bidding, had a purpose and was for their own good. Therefore when Pharaoh refused to let them go it must be God working - hardening his heart.
The truth is for all of us when we dig our heels in and constantly refuse to do something we are asked to do, even if it is for our own good and despite many chances, we often find ourselves in a position where we eventually refuse to believe it is for our own good, or the way is lost and 'harden our hearts'.
One Hebrew commentator translates it as 'Pharaoh strengthened his heart'.
How many people start with an aim in life and strive to reach that target, regardless of the effect it may have on others.

Just a thought

 

And even in this attempt to avoid God's responsibility it was God that "strengthened" Pharoah's heart.

 

Sorry. Don't follow the logic.

 

Really don't know how to make it clearer than the Bible already makes it.

 

If God needed to prompt Pharaoh to do what Pharaoh wanted to do, does that mean God prompts people to oppose Him. Prompts Satan to do what Satan wants to do.
It saeems to me that if there is a God who has given man 'free will', it is not up to him how men choose to use that 'free will'. Given 'free will' who knows, perhaps, after the first or second plague Pharaoh may have let the Israelites go and saved many innocent people's lives.

Still, as I say, there is no evidence whatever for the Exodus, and many Jewish Scholars are coming to the same conclusion.

 

You are right .. there is no evidence for the Exodus.. but it gives a little drama to the tale to say that God hardened Pharaoh's heart.

 

Pharoah was committed to letting Moses' people go several times until God either hardened or "strengthened" his heart.
I honestly don't understand what is to discuss. Scripture couldn't be clearer on this.
As for the historicity of this, I couldn't agree with you more.

 

Then we can agree that the scribe who dreamt up this 'scripture' had a strange way of thinking.

 

And passed it on to generations of literalist believers.

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If creating a monster for a protagonist is drama, then absolutely.

 

Quote Posted by GraspingforPeace on pg. 76 #759 of Part 3

How did the Resurrection prove he was God?
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Well, just the resurrection by itself didn't prove He was God, one needs to show how this proved that He was God.
Basically it was because Jesus made many outlandish claims about God’s Temple and God’s Torah and then to die is not surprising (if He was wrong). That is the just judgment of God.

But for Jesus to make such outlandish claims, and then not only to die, but also to rise from the dead, proves once and for all that God was in what Jesus said and did, and therefore, Jesus was the embodiment, the manifestation, the incarnation of the one God of Israel.

 

Say that to our distinguished archaeologists who would beg to differ from your view considering they (archaeologists) now widely believe the plagues occurred at the ancient city of Pi-Rameses in the Nile Delta, which was the capital of Egypt during the reign of Rameses II.

There is archaeological material that some archaeologists, such as William F. Albright, have considered historical evidence of the Ten Plagues giving credence to the Exodus story.

 

What are you quoting from??

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There is NOT a single archeologist .. distinguished or otherwise.. who supports the Exodus.. Its a silly story.

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There is NOT a single archeologist .. distinguished or otherwise.. who supports the Exodus.. Its a silly story.

 

There is not a single archeologist who has ever found any evidence for the Exodus.. starting with Sinai belonging to Egypt and they had garrisons there to collect tribute from Canaanite towns that were involved in mining, metallurgy and pottery making.

Further, Sinai could not support 2 million people and their herds. Its asinine.

 

Lying doesn't change what is actually stated in the bible.
And the fact you and wanren are firm on this only proves you and wanren don't know how to read the bible.

 

Of course you have proof to your claim? Nope, didn't think so. Just another false post in a string of many.

 

Quote Posted by AlphaOmega on pg. 1 #4 of Part IV Post your tough Questions on Christianity

Because the OP in the other thread doesnt answer questions. Although I completely disagree with Wan Ren on many issues at least he stands by his ideology and answers questions. Therefore he deserves his own thread since he is doing all of the heavy lifting in the other.
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Sorry but you are wrong. I'm still here answering all the easy questions because there are really no real tough questions...hehehe!

You must realize that from the original thread I have had numerous upon numerous of questions and now we are on Part 9 and look I'm still here diligently answering questions. I just finished Part 3 and now I'm on Part IV

All these threads eventually get locked up because of going over the limit and so this is why I have to answer the unanswered questions in this manner. I do explain this on the very 1st post of this thread.

As one can see I give the name of the member, the page, the post # and the part number of the thread that the quote came from. So here I am...choo!...choo!

 

Why not learn how the site works so everyone else that already knows doesn't have to babysit you with your inability to quote properly.
You see your efforts are wasted because the people you are responding to will never see your posts because they aren't notified you have responded to them.
You are wasting your time on here.

 

Quote Posted by Woody on pg. 1 #5 of Part IV in response to AlphaOmega's post

Because the OP in the other thread doesnt answer questions. Although I completely disagree with Wan Ren on many issues at least he stands by his ideology and answers questions. Therefore he deserves his own thread since he is doing all of the heavy lifting in the other. (Post by AO)

Well I agree...I disagree with everything he says to but at least he confronts the demons so to speak. (Post by Woody in response to AO post above)
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The demons? Are you labeling yourselves the demons? You have said it, not me!

Well I do believe the devil is keeping yall in the dark because that is what he does best, that is his nature, he is a beast, a liar, a sinner and that's why God kicked him out of heaven and booted him down here on earth. That is what we read in Scripture.

 

that's what they taught you, we understand that. you were taught that anyone who questions the mythology is of the devil, and deserves to be tortured for eternity in a lake of fire - even if they're the nicest people on earth. it's in the book, as you said. your god is all about love, peace and harmony. gotcha.