Part IV Post your tough Questions on Christianity

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  1. thebrucebeat

    thebrucebeat Banned

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    A very good case could be made that these people that are showing you the problems in your interpretations are not trying to pull you away from God.
    They are trying to lead you to a more authentic faith, one that doesn't require the denial of reason.
     
  2. GraspingforPeace

    GraspingforPeace Well-Known Member

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    What the hell is a human-primate? Humans are already primates.
     
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    Reason then must be your rationale for leaving the pulpit and turning against your former Christian brothers and sisters. Hello Judas.
     
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    Other than the childish attack portion of your post, I would agree with you. Reason led me away from continuing to knowingly mislead good people desperate for comfort.
     
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    Then you admit to lying to the people of your congregation? How nice. That would indicate that you never were called to be a pastor, but instead you used your cunning and deceitful spirit to usurp the authority of the post you held.
     
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    Or a realization came over me that eventually I could no longer deny.
    But sure, you go with that if you want. I know it brings you joy.
    Enjoy your evening.
     
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    What is the meaning of the word 'realize'? Remember that 'realize' is the root of 'realization'.
     
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    Quote Posted by dairyair:

    Define winning? God may one day put satan in his place, but satan will have many many more souls than God. So who really won? If one is to keep score.
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    What are you talking about?...who is winning. It is not a game between God and satan on who is getting more souls. But if you really want to know who are the winners, they are the souls who end up with God!
     
  9. WanRen

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    Secular history started with the Bible
     
  10. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

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    I will be very happy and submit to that, that they are true Christians unfortunately you are deceiving yourself because these people are not interested about the faith they are about destroying the faith, destroy God and most of all they do not believe in Christianity, they deny the existence of Jesus Christ for some who believe Jesus exist but they deny the entire Bible regarding Jesus, they are not trying to show me or enlighten my faith at all and their interpretation of the Bible is their is no Bible.

    You turn away from Christ because you were converted by them, the anti God people. What faith did they enlighten you? That there is no God?

    You need to enlighten them about Christ.

    Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. (5:3)
    Blessed are those who mourn: for they will be comforted. (5:4)
    Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. (5:5)
    Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness: for they will be satisfied. (5:6)
    Blessed are the merciful: for they will be shown mercy. (5:7)
    Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God. (5:8)
    Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called children of God. (5:9)
    Blessed are those who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. (5:10)
     
  11. WanRen

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    What the hell is ape-primate?
    Yes, human is a primate not an ape-primate or ape.
    The same position that you claim you evolve from a common ancestors called primate that is an ape. My position is that I evolve from a primate that is of human.

    Remember Genesis 1
    21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

    22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

    23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

    24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

    25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

    26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

    27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

    28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.


    IMO, this is why Charles Darwin could not accept that humans evolve from apes.
     
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    I may be wrong, but wasn't moses in the lineage of abraham?
    Please show where abraham was chosen to introduce God to the whole world. I've not seen anything about that or heard that before.
    As nothing was written prior to moses, abraham would have a very hard time communicating with south american tribes or asian tribes, or australlian tribes. Maybe he had a 747 to travel to those countries?

    How did abraham to introduce God to the whole world?

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    What is well documented in the bible?
    You should be able to point to this documentation.
     
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    How do you figure that?
    There is much recorded history before the 1st book of the bible(torah) was ever written.
     
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    Where in the passage you posted does it say anything about man evolving from anything? We were created in God's image, not evolved from anything.
     
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    Your post is full of assumptions about me and where I landed in terms of faith. This is what I mean by turning your back on reason. You aren't applying it when referencing my posts.
    A post that challenges the Bible is not an attack on God. It is an attempt to pursue an authentic relationship with God, regardless of where that leads. You prefer the comfort of an imagined certainty that the Bible simply doesn't provide. Others confront those challenges and allow their faith to evolve. The pursuit of an authentic faith requires us to embrace truth wherever it is found, even when it challenges our most precious and deeply held preconceptions.
    This is why so few actually pursue it, and those that do realize they don't have the answers.
     
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    What an ignorant statement.

    Primate

    Primates include Apes.

    Now humans are part of The Great Ape Family: Chromosome 2 (human)

    The Great Ape Family consists of Humans, Chimpanzees, Gorillas and Orangutans.

    Yes, not only are humans a primate, more specifically, we are apes.
     
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    Through pre-historic Indo-European, the language that evolved into most European languages, negro is related to night, and possibly to negative, since it means "lack of specific color," just like white does. In fact, Spanish for "white" is blanco, which is cognate with English black!
     
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    Why didn't moses name the pharaoh in the bible. It was his step brother, correct?
     
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    Many have asked. Where did this date come from?
     
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    Did hebrew slaves help build the pyramids?
     
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    Interested to hear his response to this question even though the Jews were never in Egypt.
     
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    Okay, it's time to put that lie to an end. I had to pull out my copy of The Descent Of Man. And I quote from Chapter VII:

    "In a series of forms graduating insensibly from some ape-like creature to man as he now exists, it would be
    impossible to fix on any definite point where the term "man" ought to be used."

    Darwin had no problem accepting that we evolved from an ape or an ape-like creature.

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    It may be beneficial to note the use of terminology here...and the addition of the word "Like".

    Usually, when doing so it indicates the subject is similar to, yet not the same as something else.
     
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    Yes, Moses lineage is with Abraham. Abraham was chosen to introduce God to the whole world, he is to be the godfather for all nations.
    Genesis 12;
    1 Now the Lord said[a] to Abram, “Go from your country and your kindred and your father's house to the land that I will show you.
    2 And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you and make your name great, so that you will be a blessing.
    3 I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”


    One step at a time, through Isaac, through the prophets and finally God Himself as Jesus Christ and the Apostles will spread God to the whole world.

    From Genesis 1 - Revelation, the entire Bible has well documented the ancient history of the Holy Land.

    Not as accurate as the Bible ancient recorded history contain many myths and fables, the Bible became a tool for modern historians to use and discover the facts.
     
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