Pentagon Alarmed With Russia’s Military Satellite 'Maneuvering Too Much'

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  1. freddy62

    freddy62 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The solenoid on a starter motor & the solenoid that acts as a fuel cut off valve on a Yanmar type diesel injection pump are typically housed inside a steel cylinder that is it's self grounded to the cylinder block & inherently very well shielded. A strong EMP could interfere with the supply of power to the solenoid on some vehicles but the solenoid is very unlikely to be damaged.

    If you had nominated relays instead it would have been a lot more believable as they are typically housed in plastic cases but the main problem is that tanks & most motor vehicles still have steel bodies that provide a high degree of shielding.

    Freddy.
     
  2. Mandelus

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    No … a division of Ukraine is nonsense and will be more as difficult. However, we must take into account to the facts that there are significant differences between the West and the East of Ukraine … and that these differences are really big. As a western Ukrainian has no desire to be too close with Russia, an eastern Ukrainian has no desire to be too close with the West.
    And we have to take into account that Crimean Peninsula wants to be part of Russia and not of a western orientated Ukraine … because this is the will of the majority of people and if we Western don’t accept their will, because it does not fit politically, than we in the West do not more of jabbering in matter of respect of peoples will and rights!
     
  3. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Russia who knows what is going on in Ukraine, and has been helping them out for years before Maidan, gave them a plan on how to federalize it so that the Donbas will continue its trade with Russia, and the Western part will be able to trade with the EU. Also there is the Hungarian section and I believe a Romanian one as well.

    The Kiev government refused the plan because it was given to them by Russia...even though Russia had taken polls throughout Ukraine, and knew exactly what the people in the different sections wanted. Kiev felt that if the country federalized then it would split up in the end. What was going on now though, was the wealthy Donbas was subsidizing the poorer western part of the country and they resented it. There was always going to be friction and a power struggle between the one part and the other.

    What the 'Banderites' in the West wanted was to ethnically clean all the Russians living in the former Russian areas of Ukraine the way they did the Poles in WWII, so they could take it over. This is probably true about the Hungarian speaking Transcarpathia area too, because they're having a lot of trouble now. One Hungarian politician said they will not sit idly by while the Hungarians are being persecuted.
     
  4. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hey Draco where's your sense of humor? Destroyer of Illusions is joking. He's teasing the posters who can't contribute anything to the forum... I mean what do you want, a forum that consists only of posters who insult and name call Vladimir Putin and Russia? Wouldn't it be then a propaganda forum, and not a discussion one? :confuse:
     
  5. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Vladimir Putin had polls taken in Ukraine to find out how the people felt, and he said that the reason he didn't invade to protect the Russian people in the Donbas is because he wouldn't know where the demarcation line would be...and that the further West one went, the more the people wanted to be a part of Ukraine rather than Russia.

    The situation in the Donbas was completely different from the Crimea. There the polls said that the majority wanted to be part of Russia, and it also had a defined demarcation line... which made it easier to protect.
     
  6. ArmySoldier

    ArmySoldier Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Kim Jung Un has polls taken too. Amazing how 100% of his country finds him to be the best.

    lol!

    Russian brainwashing is funny, yet sad. Along with their extreme poverty level and their average wage.
     
  7. AboveAlpha

    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

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    Fred you have to understand that any copper wire or other material conductive connection to the solenoid will instantly take on a massive number of additional electrons from a U.S. Military Non-Nuclear EMP....thus they would conduct the electrons to the Solenoid and FRY IT!!

    The U.S. Military Black Program's R&D Contractors have designed and built multiple sizes of Non-Nuclear EMP's and the largest one is carried in a C-17 or C-5M.

    Relatively large EMP's but not the largest we have....are carried by B-2's and the smaller EMP's are carried by the F-22's....because as it is now a single F-22 can carry two 1000 lbs JDAM's in it's internal bomb bays.

    The United States Air Force and Military are currently THE ONLY MILITARY THAT POSSESSES OPERATIONAL AND BATTLEFIELD TESTED NON-NUCLEAR EMP'S.

    The manner they generate such a massive Electromagnetic Pulse is HIGHLY CLASSIFIED....but off the top of my head I would think it is generated Chemically perhaps with the help of an X-ray Burst or Lasers.

    The GOOD THING about using Non-Nuclear EMP's is that they DON'T KILL PEOPLE....but they do render Weapons Systems Inert and unusable.

    From what I have heard whispered if Iran was to publically announce it had developed Nuclear Weapons and this would trigger Israel to bomb all Iranian Nuclear Sites which would poison the Middle East with Radioactive Dust.....something the United States COULD NEVER ALLOW.....it has been suggested that the U.S. Military would chopper drop thousands of Rangers, Special Forces, Special Team's, CIA Team's and other Purpose Specific U.S. Military Groups into Iran to SEIZE ALL IRANIAN NUCLEAR SITES.

    It is suggested that although it is highly likely that the Iranian Navy, Air Force and Regular Army would STAND DOWN...as we have been talking to their leadership and they would be needed to protect a New Democratic Iran.....that we would have to deal with the REPUBLICAN GUARD.

    It has been suggested that instead of the U.S. Air Force and Military just OBLITERATING all Republican Guard Divisions....and this would mean THE DEATHS OF HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF IRANIAN'S....that instead we first DROP EMP'S and render ENTIRE REPUBLICAN GUARD DIVISION'S INERT.

    They could not get to the fight nor could they fight with anything more than their AK-47's and against the U.S. Military THAT WOULD BE SUICIDE!!

    If Putin were to make the mistake of sending Division's of Russian Mechnized Forces into the Ukraine....it has been suggested that U.S. Air Force Non-Nuclear EMP's might be used there as well.

    Again.....NO ONE DIES.

    As the U.S. certainly does not want the death's of ten's of thousands of Russian KID SOLDIERS on our hands.

    AboveAlpha
     
  8. Kiwi33

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    Americans more brainwashing than russian, also lose logic, when compare North Korea, the closed country and 25 years in Ukraine - Americans did democracy (sponsored 5 billion dollars)
     
  9. AboveAlpha

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    The United States was there when Russia needed us.

    If we had not purchased and destroyed all those Old Soviet Nuclear, Chemical and Biological Weapons and cleaned up the Labs....there would still be Nukes pointed at Moscow in Georgia and the Ukraine.

    The ONLY Brainwashing done here is how Putin has brainwashed his own people into thinking that the U.S. is a threat to Russia.

    We are NOT!

    We were the one's who did just about everything we could to help Russia at the very beginning.

    When the European's refused to VOID old Soviet Debt...the United States stepped in and FORCED EUROPE to forgive that debt.

    Russia has no greater friend than the United States and no Nation has done anywhere NEAR as much to help Russia as we have.

    AboveAlpha
     
  10. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A little Russian humor Kiwi from Fort Russ:

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    "Ukraine is closely copying the Russian 1990s:

    --President-alcoholic
    --Fights in the parliament
    --Oligarchs in key posts
    --IMF
    --Default
    --Love for the US

    And it will end with a New Year's "I'm tired, I'm leaving", and the appointment of Putin
     
  11. Kiwi33

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    You speak about Chemical and Biological Weapons every day. You rescued yourself, differently this weapon would appear at you in post envelopes. LOL.

    Since the beginning of the 1990th the U.S. had a unique historical chance to head process of creation of the new, multilateral, coordinated with other centers of force world order. But they dullly missed this chance. Having unexpectedly felt as "the only world superstate" and staying in the power of euphoria, the United States began to substitute international law for the right of the force, legitimate decisions of the UN Security Council – on directives of the American National Security council, and a prerogative of OSCE – on actions of NATO.

    As a result under a new world order were ''planted time-bomb'': expansion of North Atlantic alliance to the east, a power partition of Yugoslavia and Serbia, illegal invasion into Iraq, negligence to the UN, OSCE, control over arms (an exit of the USA from the Contract on missile defense in 2002 and refusal of ratification of the Contract of 1996 on nuclear test ban). To Russia treated as the lost cold war though Russia itself finished the Soviet empire and cold war.
     
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    100% :smile:
     
  13. AboveAlpha

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    We still helped Russia.

    More so than anyone else did or would.

    It was 13 years ago that Putin killed what would have been a defining moment in world afairs.

    Russia would be a wealthy and prosperous nation by now....instead Putin has sunk so low as to open up Siberia to the Chinese Army.

    You never discuss this as how can Russian's allow Putin to use Chinese PLA Soldiers instead of hiring Russian's to work???

    Putin would never be allowed to do something like this if it was the U.S. and he tried to allow the Chinese PLA to work in Alaska.

    And we would NEVER allow our President to seize Privately owned Companies or the Media.

    No matter what you or any Putin supporter might say....nothing can justify this.

    AboveAlpha
     
  14. Kiwi33

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    Jeannette, the honest person also shows to everybody, what not all people in the U.S. agree with lies and a lawlessness of psychopaths from Washington (from the White house):unclesam:
     
  15. AboveAlpha

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    Show me one lie in my Post you quoted.

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  16. Kiwi33

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    How you helped? You continue by the promotion, to do of Russian - boogeyman? Declaring Russia an aggressor and the enemy as the Al-Qaida and an ebola?

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    I didn't speak about you.:roll:
     
  17. AboveAlpha

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    Then why did you quote my post?

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    Simply I kept up the conversation. But I wrote not about you, and about the U.S. Government (...psychopaths from Washington from the White house) You work in administration Obama?
     
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    freddy62 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The electro magnetic pulse generates a current in a length of copper wire or other conductive metal by passing down the length of it. In the short lengths of wire found in a motor vehicle the EMP will induced a small amount of current if exposed & in above ground power cables & copper phone lines several kilometers long a very large amount of current will be produced. The EMP does not directly put electrons into a wire.


    Freddy.
     
  20. ArmySoldier

    ArmySoldier Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think your Russian-English translator needs adjustment.

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    Lol what? This sentence has so many errors I don't even know what point you're trying to convey. I'm sorry, I'm not making fun of you. Could you please try this again?
     
  21. AboveAlpha

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    No....as I have stated many times I have no political aspirations and as well I am NOT U.S. Military although I work with some of the very best of them as well I have worked with members of the British and Aussie SAS....as well I am one of a very few number of American's who were part of an EXCHANGE PROGRAM back in the late 1990's as some Russian's came to the U.S. and Middle East to work with SOCOM....and I went and worked and trained with Spetsnaz and I am highly proficient in SYSTEMA AND SAMBO.

    I am...."CIVILIAN"....in the manner the quoted denote.

    If you don't understand what this means tell me and I will try to explain it to you to a further extent.

    My first JOB was to study and learn everything there was to know about Soviet Leader Yuri Andropov and this was back in 1983 during the whole Able Archer 83 debacle when a dying and delusional Yuri Andropov told one of his closest Aids that he wanted to go down in history as the Soviet Leader who DESTROYED THE UNITED STATES AND NATO!!

    We were in West Berlin and we had members of the KGB coming up to us in broad daylight telling us...."I THINK WE BOTH HAVE A BIG PROBLEM!!!"

    Soviet Leader Yuri Andropov had gotten so sick and he was dying...and delusional....and he had CONVINCED some members of the KGB...as Andropov was a former KGB Boss....and he had convinced some of the Old Guard Stalinist High Ranking Communist Leaders...and back in 1983.....THERE WAS A LOT OF THESE OLD MEN who were all in their 80's and 90's and had absolutely NO BUSINESS BEING INVOLVED IN THE NUCLEAR CHAIN OF COMMAND!!

    Because of this Yuri Andropov had CONVINCED MANY OF THEM....that Ronald Reagan had decided to launch a FIRST STRIKE UPON THE SOVIET UNION!!

    Andropov in his delusional state believed that the United States had already deployed over 100 Pershing II Intermediate Tactical Nuclear Missiles in West Germany as well as over 500 Cruise Missiles all over Europe.

    Only a few Pershing II's had just been deployed and Andropov knew that the Pershing II's carrying a 750 Kiloton Warhead were so accurate as during testing actual DIRECT HITS within a 10 Meter in Diameter Target Circle had been registered and the Pershing II's were so FAST...and because they were based in West Germany the flight time to Moscow would have been only about 3 Minutes....far too little time for Andropov to put in the Launch Codes into the Soviet Nuclear FOOTBALL.

    The facts were only 3 Pershing II's had been deployed and the United States NEVER had any intentions of EVER launching a First Strike.

    The WORLD ALMOST CAME TO AN END WITHIN 45 SECONDS AND IT WAS THE KGB AND GRU THAT STOPPED ANDROPOV ALONG WITH U.S. ASSURANCES THAT NO PLANS FOR A FIRST STRIKE WOULD EVER HAPPEN....as Able Archer 83 was a NATO MILITARY WAR GAME announced over A YEAR IN ADVANCE!

    After this debacle I was sent to work with members of the KGB and GRU to develop a BACK CHANNEL LINE OF COMMUNICATION to prevent something like what happened with Yuri Andropov WOULD NEVER HAPEN AGAIN!!

    That next year in the witer of 1984 I was partying at a High Ranking Communist Party Officials Club on the NEVA RIVER in Leningrad now St. Petersburg once again.

    I remember walking into the Club and it was cold as hell outside and the CLUB WAS LOADED WITH YOUG HOT GIRLS....and OLD FAT MILITARY MEN!!

    Myself and my GRU Counterparts were the only young guy's there and I don't think I ever drank as much as I did that night and morning!!

    AboveAlpha
     
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    When I Trained with Spetsnaz I was no longer in my early 20's but I am an exceptional fighter and I enjoy learning every new type of fighting skill and martial arts that I can find.

    Spetsnaz have one aspect about them I don't care for...and that is in a manner they use to get Intel. in the field.

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    There is no Cold War outside of certain paranoid imaginations. The Pentagon loves to create conflict and work up a lather of fear just to justify more war spending.
     
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    Fred....although what you state about the shorter the conductive wire the less the effective you do realise that an EMP...mean's an ELECTROMAGNETIC PULSE?

    This mean's ELECTRONS are generated as that is what an Electromagnet is all about as anything that can conduct Electrons is OVERLOADED and flys the circuitry or chip or Selonoid.

    Astrong enough EMP will generate such a massive Electron Pulse that it will overload the Electron Orbital Fields of any Shielding Material and fly the components.

    Why you state....and I quote..."The EMP does not directly put electrons into a wire."...end quote Fred...I have no idea because it does.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    The wires in an automobile are insulated with a plastic coating/sheath (or in the case of the wire windings of solenoids, relays, etc. an enamel coating) so that electrons are not unintentionally transfered from one wire to another or grounded out. The EMP effect on automobile wiring is for the magnetic part of the pulse to induce a flow of electrons that exist within the wire & not getting more electrons directly through the insulation into the wire.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_pulse
    Notice they are talking about killing chips (electronic equipment) & not wires.

    From same Wiki article.
    All of the military equipment from Russia & the nations listed above are going to be hardened to the effects of EMP otherwise there would be no point in having the test facilities.

    Freddy.
     

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