PETER HITCHENS: Wear a mask if you want - but understand it's about fear and control, NOT health...

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  1. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

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    Then he should have told you to wear an N95 mask, not just any mask. If he didn't then that was poor advice. I was in the hospital just last week to have an infusion port removed. Despite the signs all over the hospital I saw few people wearing masks. I didn't wear one - not even in the OR - and nobody said anything. Neither the surgeon or the nurse wore them in the prep room. And yet the science hasn't changed. They spent two years under the thumb of government health agencies. I find it curious. I can't explain it. That paper and cloth masks do are not effective against a virus is old news. The medical community has known this for a long long time.
     
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    I think you need to understand what you are reading here, especially the part you highlighted in bold. The laboratory-confirmed influenza is highly controlled, which means everything is pristine and follows how the transmission of the virus. In the real world, even in hospitals, the transmission is real and has been mitigated with hand washing and the use of facial masks. But if you read the details, basically it is stating that influenza is more resilient than previously thought and can survive more effectively in laboratory-controlled experiments. It is not the laboratory-controlled experiments you need to concentrate on, it is the "mechanistic" operations you need to concentrate on. Furthermore, the study also states, "Influenza virus is believed to be transmitted predominantly by respiratory droplets, but the size distribution of particles responsible for transmission remains unclear, and in particular, there is a lack of consensus on the role of fine particle aerosols in transmission."

    The study is asking two questions from its anecdotal literature evidence using metadata analysis based on a word search of four medical databases. The first question is questioning how influenza is spread. It is presumed it is spread by particle droplets although there is no consensus on the size and manner of how those are spread. And the second question is their timeframe and how certain things are applied, such as masks, hand washing, etc in such prevention. Or in other words, either influenza is more resilient where no protective measures can mitigate the virus, or there need to be more studies on how the virus is spread with more specifics. that is the whole point of the research paper you quoted.
     
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    No, they go around cloth and paper masks. What makes N95 masks better is the seal around the perimeter. So you can get a little over 20% effectiveness with the n95. Coth and paper masks are pointless unless you like a hot face and discomfort.
     
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    The sign on your doctor's as it is at the VA and the Indian clinic where my wife goes referenced per CDC guidelines
    Dude at this point in time worrying about COVID is like worrying about the common cold. Everyone gets it, but the dangerous delta variant is long gone. Omicron and it's sub variants are far less dangerous.
     
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    Your anecdote is not proof.

    Psst…as of Sept…
    The federal government is no longer recommending universal masking in health care facilities, according to new CDC recommendations quietly published last week.”
     
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    Never did it for the common cold the most infectious disease in history.
     
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    I'm genuinely curious here. You know... the main premise of the OP may not be completely wrong, if we remove the nonsense about vaccines, and the conspiracy theory about masks controlling people. But it might be accurate in that masks are not intended to protect the wearer from acquiring Covid. They never were! However, posts like yours, and cheap tabloids like the one you reference, are intended to fool people into not wearing masks. Masks CAN save lives.

    So my question is this (not intended as an insult, just plain curiosity): are you not bothered by the fact that this propaganda will cost the life of human beings? I don't know if your post in particular may contribute to this. But I, for one, would be very disturbed if a post of mine had even the slightest possibility to cause the loss of a single life. Does this not bother you? Why post this? What is the purpose if not to persuade people to stop using masks? WHY persuade people to not wear masks? Somebody wearing a mask doesn't affect you. So why do you post this if there is even the most remote possibility (however unlikely) that somebody might die?
     
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    But health and government authorities aren't following the science. At the state level.
     
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    I clearly remember that much different here and the MSNBCNN :)

    Try and realize all this has been archived, so it does no good to attempt alternat facts :)

    LMFAO ;)
     
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    Neither is comparing the levels of prophylaxis & sterile sanitization required in a surgical bay to walking around in public. Bud. SMH at having to explain that to anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together. But that's the world we live in, lol.
     
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    you are going too easy on this killer, golem. this weird alliance of "conservatives" and a deadly virus needs to be studied by psychiatrists in sanitary facilities far from intelligent life.

    wearing a mask is, at worst, like "thoughts and prayers." it costs nothing and doesn't hurt.

    @InWalkedBud
     
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    Just between you and me, I'm gathering further evidence to debunk the myth that the Republican Party is the "pro-life" party, which I started doing in another thread
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...lican-party-is-not-the-pro-life-party.603925/

    This is even MORE evidence that puts the myth to rest.
     
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    No, things are not back to pre-pandemic days "normal", but I've seen a definite relaxing of protocols. They no longer require a temperature scan for one thing. And they no longer are doing a wiping routine of seats in the lobbies. I wonder. Is covid no longer able to come into hospitals? Is it over?
     
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    Sorry but that's just wrong.
     
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    Peter Hitchens is a British journalist ... he has zero medical or scientific credentials.

    If you want the truth about wearing masks, why not go to a valid source? Seems like you're deliberately choosing someone who agrees with views you already hold, and are so desperate to prove that you know better, that you resort to phonies who are spreading dangerous disinformation.
     
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    Sorry to hear that. Hope you get well soon.

    If some of your nurses aren't masking up when they come into your room, I'd change hospitals if possible, or report them if not.
     
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    STOP! You're killing me!

    :roflol:
     
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    Peter Hitchens was a remarkable man, truly a hero.
     
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    See #17. @MuchAdo has it right. But you go ahead and do you. If you or a loved one need surgery, I'd love to be there when you tell him or her not to bother wearing a mask.
     
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    Put there by whom?

    Come on, tell us who you believe is controlling medical providers world wide. And do please back it up with at least one link.
     
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    Thanks for the expression of concern. I'm fine. My wife just had a successful hip replacement is all. I trust Cleveland Clinic doctors. I'm not afraid of getting covid because even if others don't follow the guidelines I still do. And if by chance I do get covid CC is excellent in treating it.
     
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    At my doctors office everyone had to wear one into the lobby / waiting room but once we were behind closed doors in the exam room and other areas it was totally optional to both the staff and patients.
     
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    So by that token, the other medical professionals in the OR needn't bother wearing masks?

    Next time you or a loved one is scheduled for surgery, are you going to tell the OR nurses, assistants, anesthesiologist, etc. that they don't need to don masks?
     
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