Peyton Manning going to the Denver Broncos... be still my heart....

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  1. Pollycy

    Pollycy Well-Known Member

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    I suppose we can can slice and dice this into mush like we do all the political stuff, and come up with just another variety of trench warfare, just as we do with politics. Suffice to say, Tebow became the Bronco's starting QB last October 11th when the team's record was 1-4.... then, Tebow was responsible for an 8-5 winning record, including a six-game winning streak, and progression into the playoffs. I don't have to "know much" about football to be able to understand what Tebow did, and now it's over.

    I do agree with you that, in the grand scheme of things (like the United States going to hell on a socialist sled) this is very trivial; nevertheless, if the Broncos offensive line can't give Peyton Manning any better protection than they gave Tim Tebow (or John Elway, either, for that matter), then poor Manning will probably be "out for the season" with injuries by the middle of the coming seaon, and then that will be the end of his career....

    I wish it wouldn't happen, but the likelihood is hard to ignore. But who knows? Maybe, just maybe, for the first time in the Bronco's history, emphasis will be put on giving the quarterback some protection. Then maybe we'll be a place where QB's can be productive, healthy, and "comfortable".... Cheers!
     
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    WalterSobchak Well-Known Member

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    Tim Tebow traded to the NY Jets for a 4th Round Draft Pick.

    Good luck Timmy! Thanks for holding fort until a real QB (Manning) rode to town!
     
  3. micfranklin

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    I'm not sure the Jets have that much faith in Sanchez if they did this.

    Meanwhile, the Saints got hit hard.
     
  4. arjay

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    Tebow traded to the Jets?! Don't get this on any level. What a disappointment.
     
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    I wouldn't go that far, they just extended Sanchezs contract. All the Jets lost was a fourth round pick to get Tebow.
     
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    The benches in New York are as nice as they come. You didn't really think a team would pay out the rear for him, did you?
     
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    Manning was good in his prime.

    Now he's immobile. The Bronc's have a reasonably good offensive line, and young...but his receiving corps is so-so.

    Let's get down to numbers.

    Peyton Manning's play-off record is 9-9.
    Tim Tebow's play-off record is 1-1.

    .500

    P. Manning has a tendency to choke in big games, unlike his brother who thrives better under pressure situations.

    I look at the Broncs as an 8-8 team regardless of their QB, in particular an aging choke artist like P. Manning who will be protecting his neck rather than take a hit.

    He's not a miracle worker...the Tebow haters are living in fantasy land if they think Manning will succeed far beyond what Tebow offered.
     
  8. arjay

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    No, but they obviously didn't have to. Don't you think Jacksonville could of used the buzz?
     
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    You could have saved Denver 90 million dollars with that opinion. I'm guessing the Denver staff is under a different impression.
     
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    It appears Jacksonville is more concerned with winning ball games compared to spending money on "buzz" for a guy sitting on the bench.
     
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    Manning is past his prime, and he's been away from the game for an entire year...and you get rusty.
    He's still not 100% as I type this...

    http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_20219025/manning-has-lot-work-do-neck-but-broncos

    The Broncos want a Super Bowl...now.

    I just don't see it.

    Maybe Tebow wasn't the answer long-term, but I don't see how Manning will be a quick fix given that 33% of QB's in the NFL get injured
    in any given season. that's close to 1 in 3...and Manning will be gun shy to protect that neck...

    4 surgeries on it in the past year.
     
  12. arjay

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    In case you're just a Hater & not paying attention; Denver made the playoffs, Jacksonville didn't. Even the flies ignore & will continue to ignore, the Jags.
     
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    Right, because there's not a whole team that decides that outcome of a ball game. Just silly. We get it, your extensive knowledge of these players outweighs that of the Denver staff. I would defiently take the guy with the lowest completion % and who struggles to pass for 100 yards over a 4 time NFL MVP, Superbowl champ and MVP who's thrown for over 50000 yards.
     
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    What's your point? You're not actually suggesting Tebow would turn Jacksonville around, are you? Any sane individual wouldn't give up more than a 4th or 5th round pick for Tebow, as we saw today.
     
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    The point is obvious, Tebow helped turn around the Denver season, did he not? I'm not arguing his trade value, we see what it is. I don't blame Denver for going after & signing Manning. But I didn't see the need to rush Tebow out of town either. They will still need a backup QB & God forbid something happens to Manning, where are they then?
    I re-iterate, Denver made the playoffs - Jacksonville will remain irrelevant.
     
  16. frodly

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    No, we are just living in a world of football understanding!! Tebow is a bad QB, while Manning is an all-time great QB. If his injury heals and he isn't too rusty from a year off, he will be many times better and more successful than Tebow. If there are lingering effects from his injury, then he will only be a really large amount better than Tebow, instead of a really, really, really, really, really large amount better.
     
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    If anyone actually thought that Tebow could take them into the playoffs by just bringing him in he wouldn't be riding the bench in NY in exchange for a 4th round pick, now would he? I get it, you know more than every NFL staff combined too, right?

    I don't know as of yet what Denver plans on doing for their back up QB. We still have a draft yet, and after seeing Tebow throw for the past 2 years Denver wasn't going to pay him those big bucks again.
     
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    Yes, because of Vonn Miller and their defense, mixed with a good running game. Tebow was a albatross around the neck of that team, which is why they weren't even better.
     
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    You mean that same defense that was beaten up by Minnesota, Green Bay, Detroit & New England(twice)? I stated that Tebow helped turn around Denver; you on the other hand, give him no credit. You are just a HATER, with a compromised opinion, IMO!
     
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    frodly Well-Known Member

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    No, he doesn't deserve NO credit. He deserves some credit for playing better at the ends of games, but he deserves derision for playing so poorly for the rest of the game.
     
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    I believe his opinion was validated by the rest of the NFL today. Is the rest of the NFL "haters" as well?
     
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    Exactly!! The Redskins just gave up 3 first round draft picks AND a 2nd round pick for the right to select a QB who has never played a single down in the NFL. Apparently, the Browns were willing to offer a similar package. Yet the most the Broncos could get for Tebow was a 4th and 6th round pick? His value to NFL teams is quite clear!!
     
  23. Pollycy

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    And what will Peyton Manning's value be after some hot-shot young enemy linebacker turns him into what amounts to a big pile of "pink slime"? Let's see, what's ground chuck go for now? The better quality stuff, I mean... about four bucks a pound?

    In their anxiousness to get rid of a man who visibly extols religious beliefs and virtues, the Broncos have made a huge blunder, and this should become clear to everyone about half-way through the season. The only hope for Manning or the Broncos, as I've already said, is that for the first time in their history, the Broncos actually provide consistent protection for their quarterback. Without it, it is inevitable that the Broncos are going to fail, and that Manning will be forced out with injuries. Hell, right now there are quite a few people wondering if Manning will even survive training camp at Dove Valley this summer.... :whisper: But, as the children say, "Whatever"....
     
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    frodly Well-Known Member

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    It is always obvious that this is what the issue is about!! Tebow is very bad at football(comparatively obviously, as he is quite good compared to average, just very bad compared to other NFL QBs), but because he believes in God, he should be signed by every NFL simultaneously!! It is insane!!

    PS. You understand that before the injury kept him out all of last season, Peyton Manning had never missed a single start in his career, yes? So he is hardly injury prone!!
     
  25. Pollycy

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    Uh, sure. Hey, until Charles the First was beheaded, he probably never had a problem wearing a hat....

    Let me say it once and for all: Peyton Manning was a great, great, GREAT, GREAT quarterback! Ta-da! Anybody disagree? No? Right! But that was "then", and this is NOW.

    I'm have not said that Tebow is a GREAT quarterback... only that, at 24, and with the aptitude and athleticism he has shown, he has the right potential to be another John Elway. And that is what is so maddening: Tebow was exactly where John Elway could have mentored him to greatness! Instead, Bowlen and Elway decided to throw Tebow away and roll the dice on a 35 year-old guy who's had four surgeries on his NECK!

    Nobody will be happier than me if I'm wrong about Manning! I was THERE in San Diego when John Elway and the Broncos defeated the Greenbay Packers to win the first Super Bowl Championship in their history! My voice was hoarse for a week afterward, I cheered and screamed so much! I'll never forget that day as long as I live! But I'm a realist, and what I see in the Broncos' immediate future is little more than disillusionment, disappointment, and defeat.

    I wish Tebow well; I wish Manning well; hell, I'm the nicest guy in the world, Frodly -- I wish you well, too.... :smile:
     

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