Pfizer vaccine gets full authorization

Please remind me: was there any other excuse on the right for not getting a vaccine? Or should we now expect all anti-vaxers to start promoting the vaccine?

I would expect that they would. Anything else would prove that anti-vaxer propaganda was just a political issue.

https://www.npr.org/sections/corona.../1030251410/pfizer-covid-vaccine-fda-approval

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/23/fda...-full-approval-clearing-path-to-mandates.html

As the article says, it's more psychological than anything and it appears that the new strategy now is going to be these vaccine mandates, which will isolate those vaccinated from those unvaccinated. I hope that it works, I hope that it makes a difference. But considering the 'breakthrough cases', I still think that alternative theory is worth examining.

 

I am left to wonder, what about those on the left that have not gotten the vaccine?

Wouldnt a true "anti vaxxer" be opposed to all vaccines whether they had FDA approval or not? I think that you are getting confused by your own exaggerated metaphor.

One thing is for sure, your implication above that only people on the right have not gotten the vaccine is nothing other than political nonsense.

You also seem confused with your "anti vaxxer" language/propaganda. An "anti vaxxer" opposes all vaccines and likely thinks they cause autism and that big pharma has a conspiracy to stop all natural cures for everything from arthritis to cancer etc. While that is a small percentage of the anti covid vaccine brigade, it is simply inaccurate to label all anti Covid vaccine people as "anti vaxxers". You are talking about two entirely different groups and differing mindsets. It is equally inaccurate to label all anti covid vaccine people as being from the right side of the political spectrum. There is a significant percentage from both sides of the political spectrum, and any implication to the contrary is dishonest and/or ignorant.

 

Thanks for posting that. I always think it's funny (not ha ha) when they say on pharmaceutical commercials "do not use if you are allergic to the ingredients in <whatever crap we're pushing>".

Most of us that have survived anaphylaxis KNOW to check EVERYTHING so the only people that would apply to would be people that have NOT had a reaction to any of the ingredients so the warning makes no sense. You don't know you're severely allergic to something unless you've had a severe allergic reaction to it (or have been tested extensively and repeatedly).

I am having some kind of allergic reaction right now. It have all the symptoms of anaphylaxis except the throat swelling. My skin itches and hurts like crazy and nothing relieves it. My eyes are burning. I can't get it to stop because I don't know what triggered it. Due to COVID restrictions, I can't get to the allergist or pulmonologist until late September. I'm just hoping I don't end up back in the hospital (I don't like being where sick people congregate. I'm silly that way before then.

P.S. What is that image in your avatar? I have been meaning to ask you for months.

 

That's not completely accurate. Anti-vaxxers is its own thing. It just became politicized with Orange Jesus.

Therefore, this information won't shift their paradigm. We are about 48% UNVACCINATED. I have to look up the stats on what percentage our enlisted military personnel represent (as I think they can now be mandated for them with full FDA approval).




We can probably take a peek at what happens in other Democratic/Republic countries to see where this leads since they are further ahead relative to mitigation.




My biggest concern is the impact of Delta, Lambda and other variants impact on our youth population. This is a bad time for schools to completely re-open (until we could get a consensus on mitigation to protect the kids and their vulnerable family members) but we can't keep them out of school forever so we have to face it at some point.

Depending on how those numbers work out, they could try to push for military intervention. At some point, they might say to call in the military and have to actually take people in under court order to get vaccinated. There's no other way if we don't choose that on our own.

Kids dropping dead from mass shootings hasn't helped the 2A battle and kids dropping dead of COVID isn't going to fix the anti-vax battle. That would probably have to be sorted out all the way to SCOTUS though.

 

I'm on board with that plan.

We need to reach these people.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ask-and-vaccine-rules.591366/#post-1072878730

It's interesting that is your answer. I thought it looked like him but wasn't 100% sure so didn't mention it.

Kids and grandkids adding their "creativity" to things are the best memories. You do alright. Your granddaughter is Picasso. LOL

ETA: Thanks for the good wishes!

 

Yes, it's definitely just psychological. But that counts too.

What "alternative theory" do you mean?

 

What about them?

Why would they?

I have neither said nor insinuated anything of the sort. But, of course, since you can't argue against what I did say, you have to make up this crap.

I have said many times that I'm referring to those who echo anti-science propaganda. Not taking a vaccine is not what makes you an anti-vaxxer. As a matter of fact, I'm sure the large majority of anti-vaxxers HAVE taken the vaccine.

 

this should help many that refused to take an experimental drug, as now it's fully approved and has been tested on millions and millions of people

 

There is a whole separate world between 'accepting' the vaccine, and 'promoting' it.

While any number of people may change their position as the vaccines get FDA approval (for what that's worth) some won't. People have reasons all their own, but that's not good enough for some other people. Each person makes the decision they believe is best for them, except for those who think they know better than the person themselves.

I'm sure the name calling, deriding, holier than thou approach is effective for the majority who are considering accepting the vaccine.

 

In my opinion, an anti-vaxxer is not somebody who doesn't take the vaccine. The term should refer to those who PROMOTE not taking the vaccine. I'm sure most anti-vaxxers have taken the shot themselves. But they don't mind putting the life of others at risk for political reasons. Especially of people who, for whatever reason (medical, age, victims of anti-vaxxer propaganda...), don't take the shot.

 

They exist. A lot of them. To read your words one could very easily get the misleading impression that they do not exist.

Why would they be against all vaccines. Because that is the definition of the anti vaxxer movement that has been well established for decades

By saying..."was there any other excuse on the right for not getting a vaccine? Or should we now expect all anti-vaxers to start promoting the vaccine?"...

You are ABSOLUTELY implying that this is a subject only relating to the right side of the political spectrum. What you dont say is every bit as impactful as what you do say. If that was not your intent, then you should perhaps thank me for clarifying any confusion that may have arisen from your incomplete explanation. You are welcome.

If you were referring to all people who have not gotten the Covid vaccine, then perhaps you should have mentioned more than just the "right".

 

So South Florida doctors staged a walk out this morning do to excessive hours ... it would be nice if anti-vac and
anti-mask people would at least have the common curtesy to TRY and help give these people a break. At LEAST social
distance for a couple of weeks and pretend you care about your fellow Americans.

 

That the reason that breakthrough cases are happening is due to the vaccinations itself. It's simply too much of a coincidence that after those articles had come out, we saw Delta spread rampantly through the world and that breakthrough cases affect both vaccinated and unvaccinated.

It warrants ruling out, but to date I hadn't seen any investigative inquiry on the matter.

 

I have no problem (or very little problem) with people who are not vaccinated. My problem is with those who PROMOTE not getting vaccinated. Those are the real anti-vaxxers.

I'm sure most people who don't get vaccinated for personal reasons (not because of anti-science nonsense) use masks, wash often, maintain social distancing, avoid going out and, when they do, avoid going to crowded places. I don't know for sure (I don't personally know any) But that's not who I would refer to as "anti-vaxxers"

 

Why? It doesn't seem to work very well. Or was that the point? I know quite a few folks who did pfizer and got Covid. Doesn't seem effective at all....

 

Only if they MISread my words. I assume most people here have at least a basic dexterity in reading comprehension.

That was before Trump's post-truth era. Clearly not anymore.

The anti-vaxxer anti-science EXCUSES are exclusively on the right. Again: with the term anti-vaxxer I'm not referring to people who are not vaccinated. I'm referring to people who PROMOTE not getting vaccinated.

The anti-vaxxer/anti-science excuses I have heard come exclusively from the right.

I'm not referring to ANY person who has not gotten the Covid vaccine. Again: most anti-vaxxers most likely DID get the vaccine. Look at Ron DeSantis... look at Greg Abbott who, not only got the vaccine, he got a BOOSTER even before it was authorized or recommended. These are not just hypocrites... they are cowards who would put others at risk, but not themselves.

 

I learned long ago that your favorite tactic is to take some mundane brief issue and then just keep writing longer and longer replies that cover the same retorts in slightly different wording, until people tire of you. In that sense, your tactic is not to out debate, but rather to outlast.

We have both had our say and it is time to let the reader decide. This topic does not deserve multiple half page replies. My point has been made and I am comfortable in the belief that I have proven as much. Perhaps you think you have proven your point. Let the reader decide.

 

I'm not understanding what you mean. Are you saying that the vaccinations CAUSE Covid? Clearly that's impossible... so I'm not getting your meaning.

 

Wrong...again.

 

Wrong about what (be specific)? Your chart does not refute ANYTHING I have said.....and what is with the "again" thing. To what are you referring where you are claiming I was supposedly wrong about something else?

You packed a whole lot of you being WRONG in this 2 word post. That takes talent.

 

the vaccine does not stop you from getting the virus, the vaccine helps train your body to fight it if\when you get it

your logic is like saying, training our military doesn't work, cause we still have wars.... so do you recommend we stop training our military?

 

What do you find confusing? I speak Spanish. Do you need that information in another language?