Pfizer vaccine gets full authorization

Nope, English will suffice. What claim from me are you trying to say your chart disproves?

Since there is nothing in my words that it refutes, it should be amusing watching you try to obfuscate.

 

I know people who have died in car accidents despite the fact that they were wearing a seat belt. Obviously to you and anybody who lives in a binary world, this means that seat belts are not "effective at all", right?

 

And yours, when you can't respond to my arguments, is to change the topic to ME. I just wish you'd stop doing that and stayed on topic some time in the future. If you can't do that, why do you even respond to my posts?

 

I think a big reason for full approval was so the military could mandate the vaccine.

 

I am more than comfortable in the notion that I have proven my point. Bickering with you accomplishes nothing. Let the reader decide.

 

How is it that the vaccinated 'breakthrough' cases can spread then? Maybe the vaccine doesn't cause it directly, maybe it creates conditions that will allow the virus to thrive in a vaccinated body? The entire point is that these breakthrough cases aren't being investigated as thoroughly as they should be.

 

What the chart shows is that the modern anti-vaxxer movement is fueled by the right. Which is what I said and YOU were attempting to rebut. The chart, unlike your response, does address my point.

 

I think they could do it before also. And they should have. The political backlash held them back. But you're right. Now there is no excuse.

 

Of course I have said nothing to the contrary, but lets allow him to come to that realization himself.

 

No. They could not mandate an unapproved vaccine.

 

Ok. Well.... let's see. There are people in this group that know more about this than me. But what I can think along that line is that the vaccination could conceivably create the conditions in the body of those who are vaccinated for a strain that is resistant to the vaccine itself. And, though not too likely unless the pandemic goes on for a long long time, there is a real danger that this might happen in the future. It's the reason why we need to achieve herd immunity as soon as possible. But it hasn't happened. The Delta variant probably appeared before the vaccines were available. And it first spread in areas (mostly India) where there was very little vaccination. Furthermore, the vaccines are VERY effective against the Delta variant.

As for breakthrough cases, they are being closely investigated. I don't know what makes you think that they aren't. We knew from the start that the mRNA vaccines were 95% effective (a bit less against the Delta variant). That leave a 5% probability of somebody who is exposed might acquire it (which is not the same as saying that 5% of the population will acquire it, like some might interpret). These are people mostly people who simply can't develop the proper anti-bodies. But they DO protect against hospitalization and death. The number of vaccinated people who die is very small. Less than the number of people who died of the Flu every year before 2020. How concerned were you of dying of the Flu before 2020? The problem is they CAN infect the unvaccinated. The people who die or are hospitalized always (I don't know of any exceptions) are those with other pre-existing conditions. So a set of unlikely factors need to combine for somebody who is vaccinated to die, or even be hospitalized. Including that they would be unable to develop antibodies, and at the same have other conditions (usually respiratory problems).

As I said before, think of seat belts. People die in car accidents (or are hospitalized) even when they are wearing a seat belt. That doesn't mean seat belts don't work.

 

It was approved for emergency use. No bigger emergency than a possible outbreak in the military that would put the country's security at risk. There is nothing that would impede mandating it. The plan was actually to start the mandate before the end of August. They decided to wait only because Pfizer expressed their intention to apply for full authorization. Which avoided any political backlash. I criticize the Biden administration for the wait. No decision involving human life should be made by any President based on political calculations.

 

All I know is NPR ran a couple stories about the issue. And what I remember the story about is the DoD could not mandate the vaccine without full FDA approval.

 

Nope, English will suffice. What claim from me are you trying to say your chart disproves?

Since there is nothing in my words that it refutes, it should be amusing watching you try to obfuscate.

 

WTF?

https://www.fda.gov/media/150386/download

Page 12
This product has not been approved or licensed by FDA, but has been
authorized for emergency use by FDA, under an EUA to prevent Coronavirus
Disease 2019 (COVID-19) for use in individuals 12 years of age and older; and....


That is some convenient wording. Sounds 'legit".

If it ****s you up... good luck with a lawsuit.... get wrecked and stay wrecked.

 

The more you read.... the worse it looks.

* The emergency use of this product is only authorized for the duration of the declaration that circumstances exist justifying the authorization of emergency use of the medical product under Section 564(b)(1) of the FD&C Act unless the declaration is terminated or authorization revoked sooner.

 

The FDA has not approved Biontech. It only issued a new EUA (emergency use authorization).

Typically FDA approval takes 7-9 years.

https://www.fda.gov/media/150386/download

straight from the horses mouth.

Conditions Related to Printed Matter, Advertising, and Promotion

Y. All descriptive printed matter, advertising, and promotional material relating to the
use of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID‑19 Vaccine clearly and conspicuously shall state
that:

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• This product has not been approved or licensed by FDA, but has been
authorized for emergency use by FDA, under an EUA to prevent Coronavirus
Disease 2019 (COVID-19) for use in individuals 12 years of age and older; and
• The emergency use of this product is only authorized for the duration of the
declaration that circumstances exist justifying the authorization of emergency
use of the medical product under Section 564(b)(1) of the FD&C Act unless the
declaration is terminated or authorization revoked sooner.



CREDIT: Pinyin (Sherdog)

 

Why are all these little Authoritarians running around pushing mandates not exempting those with the natural antibodies that already had CV-19?

That's weird.

 

IDK. I had the Moderna shots and doubt I get a booster. I know someone who had all 3 pfizer ones. 1st one no problem. Second one typical day of flu like symptoms. The booster shot he just got is kicking his hind parts. He has been on the same meds throughout which is why he was able to get his booster--they suppresses his immunity system to some degree.

 

Gosh, that's kind of rich on your part. Think about it this way, if a seat belt caused someone from not being able to exit a burning car, did it help? The vaccine isn't actually a vaccine is it. The pfizer perhaps keeps the covid from being deadly, but there are now cases of deaths post full vaccination. So, from an efficacy perspective, the vaccine hasn't helped.

More, the vaccine still allows one to both get and carry and pass covid. So, pretty much, it isn't doing what it was supposed to be doing which was to preclude from getting, not allowing passing, and certainly protecting from death. A seatbelt is just a seat belt. Folks know their limits.

 

So you ARE against wearing seat belts. There is no hope for you, then

 

The base level you argue at...... I asked a simple question. Faced with not being able to answer the simple question, you launched an ad hom. Try again. If the thing that was supposed to keep you safe kills you, did it work?

 

First you claim seat belts don't work, and now it turns out vaccines "kill you". Sorry... there are too many interesting debates going on for me to waste my time on QAnon nonsense.

 

Oh man, we have the same problem here.

Umpteen articles from the populist right about liberties being taken away...

When this is the reality:

....

Health Services Union NSW Ambulance Divisional Manager Stuart Hatter said Sydney’s ambulance network yesterday reached “status 2” mode, meaning there are more emergency triple-zero responses than there are available ambulance crews.

Ambulances outside Westmead Hospital, where one patient waited almost seven hours to be admitted on Thursday.

“Paramedic and control centre officers are beyond exhaustion. Often no breaks, 15-hour days, and full PPE [personal protective equipment] throughout the whole shift,” said Mr Hatter.

https://amp.smh.com.au/national/nsw...ces-at-westmead-hospital-20210806-p58geg.html

 

You're laughable. I asked if the thing that was designed to save you ends up killing you is that a good thing. You've tried to spin it a couple times now, and still haven't produced an answer. And now you're trying to trow yet more ad hom. Try answering the question. And run back to your Q, it's where you live.