Planes, guns, night-vision goggles: The Taliban's new U.S.-made war chest

They beat Biden's team, not us.

 

Tens of thousands of Afghan army killed in the last couple of years is the number I believe I heard. It's definitely not zero. You got played by disinformation from the POTUS.

 

Oh well, hindsight is 20/20.

 

DID THEY, put up a fight

 

Well it looks crazy, but it's happened a few times before, where the army of some puppet government we set up and arm is not quite as strong in combat as it looks on paper. That happened to a degree in Vietnam, Iraq and Iran. Maybe other places too.

A bunch of weeping and gnashing of teeth by the media as it's playing out, but then everybody forgets and we go start a war somewhere else.

 

Not against the guys they hug and kiss at night.

Against us? Aren't we assuming that at least some of them are pro Taliban?

 

I've already made that claim

 

Yes, some did. Hundreds of Afghan soldiers died in the last few weeks either executed or fighting the Taliban. There is a video showing this. If the US army attempted to take all the weapons off the Afghan army many US soldiers would have been killed in the process for the betrayal and for being left unarmed to face the Taliban. What makes you think that the Afghans would just give up their weapons knowing full well that the Taliban will come as soon as the Americans leave?

 

Oye, my guy.

You said step one was innocents, step two was equipment. That's where we diverge.


I've brought this up in other threads. The goal was defending a so called good group from an insurgent bad group. Both sides sucked and that's not on Biden. We gave bad guys guns long before he took the wheel. Your step two requires a battle no one wants and would create a worse political situation in the region. Stopping insurgency is about creating stability for the people that live there, not about military victory. They are different.

Biden didn't create stability either, and that is his fault. Your way doesn't sound any better.

 

Really

Armed? Really

Same old story
Why the US-trained Afghan National Army have been defeated with ease by the Taliban

And history goes on and on.. But I like your rewrite too

 

In hind sight my way didn't leave stockpiled weapon But I'm sure the current plan has it's upside too

 

I'm sorry but your fantasy of how things would have played out is not "hindsight".

There's no chance that pulling up to each of the armories with a fleet of 40 footers to pack up the Taliban's Christmas would have been met with cowering resignation.

Nor would simply demoing them have been viewed at all favourably internationally before the Taliban got up to it's current shenanigans.

 

Perhaps if you are going to quote me, post something that is related to my post,?

 

Fantasy So in your world HOW did it all play out

 

Biden is dangerous and irrational. He needs to resign.

Taliban are rounding up Afghans on blacklist – private intel report.

Again: Biden Says Taliban ‘Going Through Sort Of An Existential Crisis’ About Whether They Want To Be A Legitimate Government.

"The Taliban know exactly what they want (a Sharia state) and how to get it (violently)."

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/468893/

 

It was, you claim there were some skirmishes, sadly you are mistaken... I'd guess most died kneeling or shot in the back running.

 

May I answer. Currently no US or allied soldiers have been killed in this withdrawal. Using your method of removing all weapons would have resulted in a renewed fight of the Taliban and Afghan army turning on all foreigners resulting in many deaths

 

Nope, you have conveniently neglected my choices

The U.S. departing forces could have destroyed a good amount of the stockpile and left armed to the teeth..

 

The foreign soldiers are the foreigners I was referring to together with auxiliary staff. Perhaps you could explain how a couple of thousand US soldiers could disarm 300,000 Afghan soldiers scattered all over the country. Your plan would end up with restarting the war

 

Well they scattered were not the problem, and they didn't seem to concern with capturing the country until when?????
Come on, you know the time line, even Biden can recall those events, well maybe not but I think you can,..

 

The weapons were not in our control. We had already given them away. That means we would have to find them, and destroy them. Yeah maybe we knew where, but that does not mean we had easy access to them.

But let's say we tried.

The news reports: US forces leave Afghans defenseless, and all our allies say F those guys.

Or

Taliban forces immediately engage US forces attempting to destroy Afghan bases. Women and children hit hardest. All our allies say F those guys.

Or

Any number of outcomes that drag us through the mud. There's no clean win here when we know the country is going to transfer to our enemy when we leave.

You can't apply hindsight to your speculation of what would have happened if things happened differently.

 

And yet the reporters have pictures of them plastered all across the net, RIGHT

Come on man!

 

But I can, evac the civilians, trash the munitions and evac the troops, it's a formula for success

 

sounds like we got played by more than one POTUS ...

 

Oh it was in the news? Must be true.

Common man. Didn't you see that mi-25 Blackhawk? Scary stuff.

The concerning pictures I've seen are stacks of small arms. Where and when were they taken? They all come from the same place? Did we have access to those places? Are ya sure?