Please help me understand why some people are refusing to get vaccinated against COVID-19.

Then I don't see any problem.

Why should there be a problem if there are many people in the US who don't want the vaccine?

 

The problem is that the vaccinations are perishable and need to be put in the freezer. Once they are taken out and thawed out for use they expire by the end of the day. So left-over vaccines spoil and have to be thrown out, or at the very most given to another vaccination site in the same town also to be used by the end of the day.

 

Well one thing that I don't see addressed very often.......those that were effected early on, do they have to be vaccinated? I understand it could be dangerous for the, besides their immunity is probably better than the vaccination! Is government going to force them?

 

The vaccines are perishable enough that we really can't send them to India or Africa in time. And one other problem we have in many parts of India and Africa is that there's really no facilities to store them at the cryogenic temperatures they require

 

They just had Joy Reid on Colbert and she expresses mystification as to why it seems the Republicans are determined to kill off their own base by having them not get vaccinated and so die of COVID, It baffles me too, can anyone suggest why they would do that?.

 

nope, the petri dish in in-vitro fertilization is full of potential humans, but likely only one will become so, the rest will be tossed and never become such

it's takes more than just a grouping of cells to be called a human being

if some scientist cloned 1000 Hitler's, would the right demand they be born or would flushing the contents of the petri dish be ok with them as they are not humans, they are just cells in a petri dish that have the potential to be born as humans

 

As they do small pox, polio, etc.

 

Nonsense can you please educate yourself. It's not experimental. It's been used as the basis of already existing vaccines for rabies, ebola and other viruses. It was used as far back as 2003. Yah I know you think because you do not bother to do basic research it's experimental. It's not. Your ignorance as to the process uses creates your fear. Good God man get off the Trump sites.

 

No. Government can not force anyone. The mainstream medical field says yes still get the vaccine. There is no harm and any immunity you may have had no longer exists.

 

You are using the article as an excuse not to take the vaccine. The above article did not say the adverse effects rule out taking it. You want to hide from the needle hide. Arguing you are more likely to die taking the vaccinecthen not taking it is not what the article said nor did itvsaybthecadverse effects from the shot are worse then getting the virus. Read what it did actually say. Those adverse effects yiu even know what they are? You even know who gets them and why? You even know how many people who died taking the vaccine compared to those who did not? Of course not. This article states the b longervthe vaccine is used the more info as to its negative and positive effects are known. You assume that means do not take the vaccine. Any ,education yih take has negative side effects. Using your reasoning you should never take any medication. So don't. Be afraid. die. Just do not expect to come out in public unrestricted and when you do contract the virus which you will, you will be the first to demand care and blame your exposure on a Democrat conspiracy.

 

Never licensed. Did not pass.

I am not the one running around fearful of the unvaccinated.

Emergency Use Authorization is only used for experimental treatments not approved by the FDA. Get up to speed on this. Read the EUA.

 

You are running around fearful of Covid 19 vaccines engaging in fear mongering. Also your comment the vaccines did not pass is an out and out falsehood and a further example of your false fear mongering which I will now call out and expose.

First off and anyone can go check for themselves its public domain, to get an EUA permit: companies must submit to the FDA at least two months of follow-up safety data from their clinical trials, as well as information about their product's effectiveness and how it is manufactured and this is precisely why Dr. William Moss, executive director of the International Vaccine Access Center at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health) told ABC news that with nearly 300 million doses administered in the U.S. and I quote:

"there's nothing about that review process that's going to reveal anything we don't know." and

"Yes, it's kind of a formal stamp of approval, but I don't think it really provides much more than what we already know," and

"We have more data on vaccine safety than with any other vaccine, even before the review of the full approval." and

"If you wait a month or two or three, you're exposing yourself to risk that is unnecessary and preventable," and

"[The COVID-19 vaccine is] free, it's incredibly safe and it's readily available. In my personal opinion, it makes no sense to wait."

source for the above:

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/full-...vid-19-vaccinations-experts/story?id=78048166

Anyone who in fact researchs the the EUA approval process would know that regardless of whether a vaccine is approved through the typical FDA approval process or an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA), the steps required to test a new drug for safety and effectiveness are the same.

The reason an EUA can get a vaccine to the public more quickly is because it streamlines the regulatory process but it does not take any short-cuts.

I now enclose an explanation specifically written to debunk the technique Hoosier is using:

source: https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-health/lack-fda-covid-vaccine-approval-doesnt-matter

"Unfortunately, there is a lot of misinformation circulating out there and some individuals are using people’s fear to turn them against the vaccines.

Many people interpret the lack of FDA approval to mean that the vaccines have not been properly tested and are therefore suspect, but this is a misrepresentation of the facts. The FDA actually granted these vaccines something called Emergency Use Authorization (EUA). An EUA is “a mechanism to facilitate the availability and use of medical countermeasures, including vaccines, during public health emergencies.” In short, it allows the FDA to roll out treatments in short order during an emergency like the COVID-19 pandemic. It is important to remember that EUAs were used not just for vaccines, but also for treatments like convalescent plasma and the ill-conceived flirtation with hydroxychloroquine as a COVID treatment.

EUAs have the advantage of speed. In a pandemic, delays cost lives. When, as with COVID-19, you initially have no good treatments at your disposal, you sometimes do the best you can with the data at hand and try treatments based on preliminary data. With time and more research, you either confirm that treatments work, or discover that they do not. The main advantage of an EUA is that it can be revoked if it looks like something is ultimately ineffective. The FDA revoked its EUA for hydroxychloroquine (plaquenil) after it became clear that it did nothing against COVID-19.

People who advocate against vaccines, and these vaccines in particular, will use doubt to shake your confidence in the vaccines’ safety and effectiveness. They would have you believe that EUAs mean that these vaccines were unleashed unto an unsuspecting public with nary a second thought, rather than as the consequence of months-long clinical trials involving tens of thousands of patients with dozens of follow-up studies since. And if you are unwilling to rely on the data from randomized trials, then you can look around and see for yourself what a mass vaccination campaign can accomplish.

In the practical sense, there is little difference between a vaccine that was “authorized” rather than “approved.” Its efficacy is the same. If a rose by any other name smells just as sweet, then a vaccine by any other designation still works and save lives."

 

No, I know the article doesn't say don't take the vaccine. I came to that conclusion on my own because I don't blindly do what I'm told. As to being afraid of the needle... I've had several oral reconstructive surgeries to fix an accident from when I was a teenager, most of them were just with novocain. Have you ever had novocain injections in your mouth? Its 10x worse than a shot in the arm (though still not a big deal), and I've had 4 or 5 surgeries where they numb my entire mouth, which takes 2 to 4 injections each time. Needles arent an issue for me. My immune system is strong and I simply don't want the pharmaceutical industry or the govt Fing with it.

 

No. Seems like you're trying to obscure the issue.

This is not really a problem.

If demand for the vaccine is lower in a certain area, then they can just ship fewer vaccines there.

They can also schedule appointments and not begin thawing out the vaccines until the day when someone is scheduled to arrive.

Don't you agree it would be really stupid to send a lot of vaccines to an area and begin dethawing them, not even knowing how many people are going to want them in that area?

 

Lots of words to avoid the facts.

Hydroxy is licensed so a different section of EUA applies, these experimental treatments are not so the safety precautions required for licensing were cut short.

 

I don't know. I think here in the USA we've become spoiled by the market economy where spontaneous demand always pushes things to be readily available anywhere anytime we want it.

 

That's a new one on me. Of course we both depend on outside source because I assume you are not a bio chemist and neither am I. I understood Natural immunity is perhaps more long lasting and effective then the un approved vaccine. A big point I will make.....the current administration AND the CDC have been all over the map with their edicts. It's no wonder Americans just want to give up on their mandates. You say government cannot enforce anyone but I say they are working toward that end. The Democrat Party knows their survival depends on a permanent Pandemic. They will conjure up scares of mutations from around the world. I understand it is the natural trend of a virus to become more infectious as it mutates but less deadly.

 

Though I got the vaccine, I say more power to you! I just had a niece (unvaccinated) recover from the China Virus. The turning point for her was she found a doctor out of state that prescribed hydroxychloroquine for her. The drug is far cheaper than most drugs, the FDA hates it and so do most liberals. Might be wise to have a finger on a source! Just sayin'.

 

The active ingredient in hydroxychloroquine is quinine. Its found OTC in tonic water. The British empire used it for hundreds of years to prevent malaria, by issuing tonic water and gin (for gin and tonics) to their troops in jungles and marshy regions where malaria was a problem. It works by coaxing your cells to uptake more zinc, which is both an antiparasitic and an antiviral. Quinine can have some nasty side effects like nausea and diarrhea. The modern prescription version has been processed to drastically reduce these side effects, increasing the dosage of quinine that can be handled by most patients. I do have a stash of tonic water for just in case, and I regularly take a quality zinc suppliment. Zinc however can be OD'd on by taking more than the daily recomended for a long period of time, which overtaxes the liver (or maybe the kidneys, I always forget which does which). The pharmaceutical industry does not like quinine because its generically available so they can't dictate prices which lowers their profit margin.

 

In my opinion it's probably only a little less effective than the vaccine.

Of course the difference is you only have to take it if you contract the virus, whereas the vaccine you would have to take before, not knowing whether you are ever going to contract the virus.

From a medical risk standpoint that's a huge difference.
Just an imaginary example, hydroxychloroquine could have 5 times the risk that the vaccine does, but if there's only a 1 out of 10 chance of an individual getting the virus, then the hydroxychloroquine would still be only half as risky overall as getting the vaccine would be, statistically.

 

The vaccinated will have mostly antibody protection induced by the vaccine. Those antibodies protect only against one variant. Also they out compete and live longer than the natural antibodies that protect against all variants. With new mutations the vaccinated may need booster after booster to stay alive for some time.

Also the vaccinated are gain of function laboratories. Not a good idea to use mass vaccination during a pandemic. It is only a matter of time before we see a vaccine resistant variant. This is what Geert Vanden Bossche says.

 

Still better, most of the vaccinated have become walking spike protein factories. It turns out the spike protein itself is toxic. A Brave New World we live in.

 

The US constitution is clear governments can not impose a medical treatment on anyone without their consent unless they lack medical capacity that is why thousands of schizophrenics walk the streets homeless. Think about it. You can not force anyone to take any medication who has capacity. Ask any doctor. You know how many patients ignore them and spead diseases and act with recklessness? You have any idea how many people for example are spreading vd they know they have and have not treated?

Selfish people refusing to acknowledge the contagious diseases they have and their refusal to treat are a universal fact. You have never heard of this?

Now what you may have heard is once the FDA does approve the vaccines, an emloyer can at that point mandate a worker must have the vaccine before returning to work. Until then they can not.

In regards to natural versus vaccine immunity with natural immunity just go research it.

As for your partisan comment that the Democrat Party knows their survival depends on a permanent pandemic that with due respect is Trump stupidity talking. It is Trump who hinged his Presidency to a cure of the virus not the other way around and what you say is absurd.

If the pandemic is permanent how would that help the economy? Any President's tenure is dependent on economic well being as you are well aware.

Using the pandemic as a politically partisan tool you would be the first to say was unfair against Trump yet you do it with Biden.

Trump lied about the extent of the pandemic and its contagious nature claiming he was "protecting" the US. Now you claim Biden is lying about it because its too his advantage? Get real. Deal with it. Its a medical issue not a political one. You turn it into a political issue to defend Trump. He is no longer in office for that reason and many others. Get over it.

Maybe had Trump taken his syphilis shot years ago it would never have spread to his brain. Its too late now.

There you go one partisan shot against another.God Bless America.

 

I am a bit confused by this because (1) the military is often required to get vaccines but they aren't being forced to take this one, and (2) yesterday or the day before somebody posted about Biden requiring all Federal employees get the vaccine or regular testing (and the employee's expense).

https://federalnewsnetwork.com/work...-vaccination-or-submit-to-testing-biden-says/

The test costs $400 at my local hospital and is only free if tested in the ER. I'm in a small town just outside of Chicago so I'm going to assume the test is more expensive in most other places. That can easily add up if a person has to be tested every week or so.

 

Soldiers do not have the same civil rights as civilians. They have very limited decision making rights while in service otherwise the military could not function. One of them is having no say on their medical treatment. Likewise the federal government can order government civil servants to get the test OR regular testing but not both. Once the FDA approves the vaccines only then can they. Then it becomes a labour law issue and employers have an obligation to assure their workplaces are safe from preventable risks.

Legally until the FDA approves the vaccine no employer can mandate it as a condition to return to work except the military. First responders and physicians took it voluntarily. Many such as bus drivers and people working in essential services exposed to people wish they could have taken it earlier. They were brave returning to work with no vaccine. For those brave people I say can we not show them a little respect and get our shots!