PM quits after UK votes to leave EU in historic Brexit referendum >>>MOD WARNING<<<

No, what all you wrote actually means that that the UK in the EU has virtually no say in the UK's future. Rather, other countries decide the fate of the UK and tell the UK what it must and must not do. German and French representatives voting to dictate to the UK is a bizarre concept on its face.

 

Thanks!!

I'm so glad there are those of you who can keep this board straight about what is going on.

I'm reading as fast as I can, but there is a ways to go for those of us who have seen enough stability in the UK to cause us not to keep up. After all, we still haven't figured out what's going on with this Trump thing!

 

This is certainly a fear. Ireland already has a Muslim community. There are mosques. No major issues so far, but I agree that a large influx of Muslims could cause ghettos and radicalisation. We have a good record here of distributing refugees all over the country, with an aim to avoiding such problems.

 

The demographics are telling. Most of the foreigners voted overwhelmingly to stay in the EU, while the natives favored Brexit.

 

Smell you later!

 

It happened on the watch of the guys who brought about Brexit, i.e. the governing Conservative party. Did the Eurosceptic pro-Brexit Conservative MPs do anything to reverse the trend? They did in their boll£$. It is not in their nature.

 

I hope the delay is true. But it is as much in his hands as it is in the heads of states of the other 27 EU nations. Everything is a possible bargaining tool now. Delay when the EU wants Article 50 revoked and the UK seriously risks losing out in the exit negotiation process. Thankfully Merkel made a sage statement this morning, that if British leaders call for reflection then they should not be put under pressure. Even if that causes damage in relation to other interests wishing to leave the EU.

 

Northern Ireland voted to remain in the EU. The problem with NI is that it can't sustain itself as an independent entity. NI has a bloated civil service, the largest in the UK per capita (possibly the largest in the EU). This is due, in part, to schemes all through The Troubles to alleviate extreme unemployment caused by the divisions, the violence, and the obvious inability to attract investment over such a prolonged period of time. This coupled with the fact that almost half the population of NI have dual UK and Irish citizenship, all of whom hold Irish passports.

So what does this mean regarding Brexit. A clusterfúck, is what it means. One which I have referred to earlier on the thread. Nationalists will want a united Ireland. Ireland can't afford to take on the running of NI at the moment. And if a united Ireland does come about, the Unionists will go mental. They will not tolerate living in a united Ireland. To put it simply: No united Ireland = IRA terrorism; A united = Loyalist terrorism

Boris, Gove, Farage, Ireland thanks you for potentially stealing peace from an entire generation of Irish people.

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In British politics this is always seen as a resignation.

 

Yes.

I also hear that lawyers have determined that the law does not allow for the EU to require the UK to move on this.

 

Here's the thing.....the biggest fundamental flaw as far as the E.U. is that it is not a single nation.

Now the United States has 50 states and literally thousands of territorial islands all over the globe as if you are born in a U.S. Territory such as Guam, Puerto Rico, Marshall Islands, American Samoa...etc...etc...etc....you are and American Citizen.

Thus not only is the United States comprised of lands of many different people having different cultures and different religions...etc....but as well the United States itself has THE most diversified population on planet Earth.

The U.S. population is in effect a microcosm of people from every single nation, culture, religion and race on planet Earth BUT.....WE ARE ALL AMERICAN CITIZENS!!

And here in lies the problem with the EU.

The people hold to their own nationalism as the E.U is not a nation and as long as it is not it will never ingrain patriotic loyalty of the people who are a part of the E.U.

I have been all over the world and I have been to the U.K. many times and I love the country and the people are ALWAYS kind to me and go out of their way to treat me with kindness and respect especially because I am an American and because of what I do.

I cannot imagine the United States joining something similar to the E.U. although I can see one day....as in reality this actually already exists....that the United States, Canada and Mexico will become one Nation in some sort of United States of North America.

Unlike the relationships between the U.K., France, Germany...etc...within the E.U....as all nations within the E.U. struggle to maintain dominance over the others and struggle to impose their ideology and install regulation that benefits them the most.....the United States, Canada and Mexico are so close that they are already to a great extent a single entity.

This is most apparent in the U.S./Canada relationship.

With the exception of a few malcontents in Quebec....you could not tell the difference between Canadian's and American's as we are so close and our economies are so intertwined and so is how our people basically live the two nations are indeed one.

We also have an integrated Military such as NORAD.....and everyone know if you mess with Canada the United States would come down on you like the Right Hand of GOD!

Mexico is very close as well and eventually I see all three nations becoming one.

But when you compare this to the divisions in Europe....well....they are still just far too nationalistic to actually form a single nation and as long as they are apart.....they will NEVER form any real consensus.

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Anny country can expect electoral changes but the trend, according to the article I submitted, began over a decade ago. But of course once a program of free stuff is established its pretty much there to stay. It may be a change in the attitude of the people as much as economic policies.

 

You seem to be handling it very intelligently; it's only when numbers get too high that it all becomes more difficult to administer and to maintain the equilibrium.

 

So let me first give you some (I'll try to be neutral) Facts and then a (surely not neutral) comment:

Facts:
UK:
- the British did a democratic referendum over a simple question: brexit or remain,
- it was only a referendum with no legal power for the government, but the government assured before, that it would respect it, so everybody had to know it was serious,
- all british had more than enough time to check the consequences of both choices,
- unless like f.e. the russian fake referendum about Crimea both parties had every possibility to show their points without danger of harm,
- some 70% did the Referendum with some 52% for Brexit,
-> there is not any doubt about the correctnes and the importance of this result.

EU:
- EU treaties know a legal possibility to quit and for this are more advanced than most constitutions
- EU treaties don't know a possibility to dismiss a member
- so EU must wait for UK government to tell his take-off.

No my opinion (as an EU27-citizen who enjoys the advantages of this comunity:

The british have voted to leave the EU. Thats their good right, we're democratic. Now they shall not hestitat to do so, with all consequences. The EU shall not accept any second vote or other trick to keep the UK in. In some two years nobody will remember, how the british ran around, shocked what they have done, but theory will build that undemocratic EU had overgone democratic vote.

So: fingers away from second vote!

The British have to decice, which economic relationship they want to share with the EU:
- like Norway or Switzerland with access to the market on Price of a cofinanciating EU-Projects, free movement of workers and 80% EU-measures
- like Belarus or Ukraine with border-tax and every treaty negotiated seperately.
The relationshipmodel "UK-old" was assasinated on Thursday by the British themselves

So: Partnership without ass-kicking: Yes - Special goodies: No

British politicians seem not dare to do the second step after crying for the first. Not only looser and maybe ruiner of the state Cameron, but even Johnson seems to make a step back. EU can't throw them out, but they have one possibility in backhand: If British government supresses democratic vote of british People (=Brexit) they can start a judge process for democratical deficits. Sounds a little strange for the oldest existing Democracy in Europe, but would be consequent.

So: Out is out

 

Your comment (in bold) I think is very insightful. The elite (the money) very much against Brexit - and for good reason.

Global debt is at a historic record. The world is awash in debt. Even if a person has little or no personal debt they are still on the hook for the debt of the country in which they live as they are forced to pay higher taxes. Interest payments on this debt are partly responsible for sucking the life out the consumer and the economy.

Destabilization of the Union destabilizes this debt making default more likely.

The second factor is that the Oligopoly-Bureaucracy Fusion Monster- which is sucking the life out of the worker and ushering in a form of indentured slavery - benefits from regulations which are out of the hands of individual countries.

 

Yes, it is entirely up to the existing state, as that state needs to approve such a matter in their parliament, or via whatever internal process is needed.

I will put up an article I read earlier, if I can find it, that will get across the difficulty in the bargaining position that the UK have put themselves in. And some of the blatant lies, speculation, and downright BS that the Brexit camp have spewed out in their campaign and how utterly ill prepared the leadership is for the realpolitik of Brexit.

 

Define a programme of 'free stuff'? I absolutely guarantee that a majority of people in the UK would not want a family to go without food, if they are deserving.The UK is the nation of the NHS, for example. British people are proud of the NHS. So much so that the NHS featured prominently in the opening ceremony of the 2012 London Olympics. They don't see the provision of basic healthcare for citizens, for example as 'free stuff'. But then I am not British.

 

Obviously you are Leftist who supports One-World Socialist domination. The EU and their Orwellian leaders have been instrumental in the Islamifcation of the West and for crime, terrorism and chaos running rampant. Of course no EU leaders face accountability for their actions. They are not elected, but appointed as with other globalist groups like the IMF.

The only hope the other nations in Europe still part of the EU have is to exit ASAP---before they too become a multicultural, sprawling mess like Syria, Brazil, South Africa and the Balkans.

 

Alpha do you really want an homogenized world where there are no different ethnicities and cultures? Well I don't ...it would be very boring.

Seems like you are an advocate for the new world order, which I consider totally evil for one simple reason...those who are imposing it on the world are sociopaths. If they were not, they wouldn't have such an indifference towards human life...

Since they are void of any sense of right and wrong, they are therefore the least capable morally of making decisions which would affect a large segment of the world.

This by the way is what Russia is fighting. As I said before, the USSR did not die, it moved to Washington.

 

indifference towards human life?

is that why the EU is taking in millions of refugees while Russia has taken in zero while bombing the (*)(*)(*)(*) out of Syria?

 

OK here is the article I was referring to earlier: Brussels rejects Boris Johnson 'pipe dream' over single market access

If anyone thinks that an existing UK holds the cards in exit negotiations, toady the reality of the situation is beginning to sink in.

And in relation to the matter of Article 50 and the timescale for the beginning of the exit.

Lies, damn lies, and deceptions:

The virtual house of cards is crashing down already, and we are only on day 4.

 

Everyone is speculating. Some are saying that Britain will not be allowed to leave, and others such as the Russian sites say that if the 'elite' didn't want a Brexit, they wouldn't have allowed it in the first place.

George Soros said this will be the break up of the EU, and if anyone should know it should be him. His finger is in everything. Besides that he bought tons of gold right before the vote. Did he know gold would rise because of the vote, which means the polls were rigged, or is there something else brewing and the money he made on the vote was by chance?

Then again it was a smart move on Soros' part, since gold would have been the most secure regardless of the outcome of the vote.

 

Now here is an opposing Russian view from their usual one, which is that the elites wanted a Brexit or they wouldn't have allowed it:

"...So why did the “elites” have to stop Brexit at all costs? Wall Street understands that the defeat of Brexit meant a shortened lifespan for London as a financial center, as it is impossible to be a financial center unless a country has its own currency and central bank.

As it is impossible for the UK to be a member of the EU and not operate under the ECB, once the Brexit referendum would have been defeated – or so they hoped – the process of gradually forcing the UK into the euro would have begun.

The other powerful interest is the interest of Washington to prevent one country’s exit from leading to the exit of other countries. As CIA documents found in the US National Archives make clear, the EU was a CIA initiative, the purpose of which was to make it easy for Washington to exercise political control over Europe. It is much easier for Washington to control the EU than 28 separate countries – now 27 with Brexit.

Moreover, if the EU unravels, so likely would NATO, which is the necessary cover for Washington’s aggression not just in the oil rich Middle East but Russia and the greater SCO (Shanghai Cooperation Organization).

The EU serves Washington and the “elite” 1%. It serves no one else. The EU is a destroyer of national sovereignties and peoples. The intent was always for the British, French, Germans, Italians, Greeks, Spanish, Portuguese, Irish, and all the rest to disappear as peoples.

Brexit was the last chance to defeat this hidden Novus Ordo Seclorum (One World Order) agenda. Apparently, the British people voted without having a clue as to what was at stake and what was/ is the grander geopolitical ramifications of their vote. Nevertheless, they voted correctly for a change..."​

http://katehon.com/article/all-out-failed-attempt-elite-defeat-brexit

 

Are you familiar with this commentator? Do you know what National Archive document he is referring to?

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If you have evidence that the polls were rigged, can you present it? I am sure all the UK posters on this site would be interested? Especially considering the transparent nature of British elections and the almost untainted democratic history of the country.