PM quits after UK votes to leave EU in historic Brexit referendum >>>MOD WARNING<<<

Charles Dickens wrote a thing or two on this very subject.

The British Working Class helped saved Britain and provided the cannon fodder for two World Wars. Come 1945 the returning troops extracted their price for victory.

 

S & P downgrades Britains Credit Rating

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...rkets-brexit-crisis-osborne-lew-business-live

They say they see the situation as medium to long term and fundamental. No doubt this will mean higher interests rates to pay of our never ending loans from 2008

The pound is down 31% against the $. and on and on.

Trusting people know the Labour Party are all resigning from Corbyns Cabinet and they are going to vote that they have no confidence in him tomorrow. This is because it is expected after the Tories have voted the next PM there will be a general election and they believe they will do better with a new Blairite leader.

The EU is I think going to put through a non binding resolution to tell the UK to get on with it and call Article 50.

Someone else has downgraded our credit rating to AA that is down two notches from AAA plus same as S&P. More are expected.

 

Dickens wrote fiction. The upper and lower classes also participated in both world wars, as did many Allies.

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When people are panicking in one direction it's generally a good time to invest.

 

OK, how about when my country, Ireland, which was under British control in the 19th century, and 1-2 million people died of starvation in the single worst famine in Western European history. Over the entire timeframe of the famine, (5-6 years), food surpluses were exported to England and beyond to the Empire. Ireland had one of the most advance rail networks in the World, at the time, and armed British troops escorted the food supplies to the ports on the coasts. It is on parliament record at Westminster that MPs openly debated the issue of how 'The Irish' (British citizens at the time) could essentially do with their numbers being cut a bit.

Do you still want to discuss how...

Our Scottish friends on the threads, I am sure, can regale you with tales of the Highland clearances of around the same time and before, and the death toll concerned. And of the appalling tenement slums in Glasgow and Edinburgh, and indeed of the plight of the human fuel in the English Midlands, Welsh coal mines, and in every other town and city in the lands that sacrificed their lives and labour to build the Empire via the Industrial Revolution.

Following the ruin of the war in 1945, the people rejected Churchill's patronising paternalism, in favour of a system where people on low incomes could access a decent quality of health care. The returning soldiers from all over the Empire, were not going to let a Conservative led government throw them on the scrap heap like they did following every war prior to this.

Sorry, I missed this bit. Are you saying that the upper and lower classes died in equal number in both World Wars? And I am not sure what the Allies have to do with how British troops were cared for when they came home. We are way off topic, but it is historically relevant, in a way.

 

Ireland and the potato famine was not being discussed, nor was the 'how'. I never mentioned either.

These tenement slums were throughout the world and Britain had it as good, or better, than elsewhere. It was education, experimentation and technology which turned the much of the world around, not the NHS.

But surely government looking after its citizens is paternalism itself. That does not mean that the government should not look after and care for those who fought for their country, or left on 'a scrap heap', but the NHS has gone well beyond looking after a wounded military.

You said "The British Working Class helped saved Britain and provided the cannon fodder for two World Wars' and yet the British upper classes, especially in WW!, contributed greatly. This loss of the 'best and brightest' has led to speculation that it contributed to Britain's loss of Empire, or at least its loss of relevance. The point was that the middle classes of all countries involved in these wars were killed, and all classes in fact. Proportionately, I don't know.

 

You should have read what was being said rather than just repeating the same old sound bite. This is not seen as being short term. It is seen as being medium to long to forever term. The UK's situation has fundamentally changed. She has lost her Tripple A credit rating and it is unlikely she will get it back in the medium to long term - indeed at all. In any case she is in for several years in which interest rates on our massive loans will increase resulting in .....more and more austerity! Things are going down quicker than in 2008 and the 1990's downturn. This is an unprecedented.

 

Last night News 24 had someone saying what they were saying on Friday again. Once the new PM is elected, probably September 2 an election will probably be called, expected Spring 17 in which the parties, if we still have any, will be able to put forward what they want the relationship to the EU to be, as if we had that choice. One of the things which they were clear a party may put forward is to remain in the EU.

 

There has been a massive rise in xenophobic hate crimes in England since the Referendum which was condemned by all the parties in Parliament yesterday, not that it wasn't bad before.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...sm-reports-eu-referendum-latest-a7106116.html

 

"Reports of hate crime have risen 57 per cent in the aftermath of the EU referendum vote, according to the National Police Chiefs&#8217; Council."

Only 3 days and there's been a 57 per cent rise? So how come they've had time to collate this statistic? Something stinks to me! But the obsessed BBC's getting lots of mileage from it this morning - surprise, surprise!!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...sm-reports-eu-referendum-latest-a7106116.html

 

Oh, I thought the BBC was your most trustworthy source. This was condemned repeatedly in the house of commons yesterday if you ever kept up with anything. Question Time on Sunday described many migrants as 'terrified'.

 

Did you see the latest video of David Cameron, I really respect how he's handling this entire situation it must be a huge disappointment for him.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-result-must-be-respected-david-cameron-says-a7105886.html

 

He's personally the main reason for Englands exit out of the European Union. The EU was always only the scapegoat for every nonsense the british government made. I hope the EU will find now in long term better ways than the british burning Thatcherism and the american slaveholder mentality. I guess we have now to make Gaelic to the central language of Europe.

[video]https://youtu.be/Wl-A5FJffik[/video]

 

I was merely responding to your comment.

I did take the ball and go on a run like an Icelandic football player cutting through an English defence! I might make my Monday night rant a weekly thing! Perhaps I'll entitle it: Monday's Orwellian Nightmare.

The NHS is a cornerstone of English social democracy. As are the health services of all the other social democracies of Europe. Such as Germany, France, Belgium, Holland, and all the Scandinavian countries, etc., etc. Not one of these highly progressive nations, has any legitimate political will calling for the state health services of these countries to be rolled back on. Why? Because in the main, these systems work. And people accept the benefits of paying into them through general taxation. There are problems, of course. There always will be. But I have a friend who lives in Germany, who developed a chronic lifelong condition in her 30's. The level of in, and outpatient care available to her there is remarkable. Efficiencies within their system, meant she had almost no wait for her initial care. Do the Germans march through the streets calling for their health system to be scrapped. No, they most certainly don't, as they understand the overall benefit to society. I could be wrong on this, but German's have very rarely, in general, been known for their illogical nature. Especially when it comes to the use of their hard earned resources.

 

Is that you my German friend?! Are you enjoying our delicious Kerry Gold butter on your toast every morning?!

I agree. The English, in particular, could have brought about almost 100% of the changes they were looking for by voting in the politicians in their last general election who could have implemented such changes. What is the most contentious issue? Immigration. It is absurd to think that 1) the UK is not in full control of their immigration policy and borders. The Calais border checkpoint attests to that. And every other immigration check in every port and airport in the country. And 2) The belief that the binary decision of IN, or, OUT, was the only way of reforming an immigration policy that now see the Brexit camp making no commitment to reducing immigration, in the short-to-medium term. Granted there are negotiations to come.

What will happen to the close to a million UK citizens currently living in Spain, for example? In general, not exactly shining examples of integration into a foreign society re language and culture. The age demographic of this group is quite high. As many UK citizens Spain to retire. And who wouldn't? It is a beautiful country. Who is going to pay for their health care in Spain now that the UK is out of the EU? Is Spain going to pay for an aging UK citizen population who are going to be a complete burden on the already overloaded Spanish health service?

This is one example of the lack of planning and foresight that the Brexit camp doesn't seem to have thought of. There are 4.5 million UK resident living in EU countries. In a single vote, the UK has left this population on the continent disenfranchised from how they are going to live their lives as UK citizens in a foreign country. As I said, the binary vote of YES, or NO, has not only removed the UK from the decision making processes that govern the largest market in the World, the vote has also left 4.5 million UK citizens almost powerless concerning what really matters in their lives: healthcare, education, legal rights etc., etc., ..........

 

It is rather easy, actually. All complaints would be logged immediately, thus generating the data needed to calculate such a statistic almost instantaneously.

 

He is a politician, it is his job to speak. While you may respect how he is handling himself. History most certainly will not. He is already being described as the worst UK PM in living memory. I don't doubt that he has benefited the country as PM in his six years as PM. That record ended last Thursday.

 

You are too kind... I rate him on the level of Chamberlain... If the UK keeps it up it even surpasses that shining moment.

 

I do too, I was more thinking of the prevailing thinking in the UK.

Thankfully for the UK, Wales are the only country left in Europe to fight its corner and for the pride of Britain.



Cymru uber alles!

 

Corn flakes normally. Without butter.

And the problem behind this pseudoproblem is the human overpopulation in the arabian and african worlds.

Europe has to have the possibility to control the own borders first (without Turkey), before we are able to speak in a senseful way about how to control immigration. To do so we need a common police and/or a common army. I heard some politicians in Germany thought about to give jobs in our army to all Europeans. In the first moment I was shocked - but maybe this is the right way. Now we have maybe not much time and when we had time to do something for a "United House Europe" England blocked the way of the dragon to the water, how Mr. Feng Shui says.

What happens to the Turks in Germany although Turkey is not a member of the European Union? Nothing. We will just simple start new membership negotiations with England after a while. And if Scotland stays to be a member of the Euroepan Union then in worst case the people there might become Scots - or Irish ...

Insurances.

Why should they? But we need maybe some new organisations like "Doctors for Englishiots in Spain".

4.5 million. That's a lot. In worst case some could try to go to Germany and say: "My forefathers were Normannen, Angeln and Sachsen , so I'm a German and I need a passport now." The Donau-Schwaben and others came also home after they lived hundreds of years in the East of Europe. Let me think about: Sachsen still live in Germany, Angeln moved completly to England, Normans lived in Scandinavia ... and in France. But what to do with Spain? ... Hmhm ... The wise Helge would say now: "That's a problem".

https://youtu.be/s_6AvUI76UI

 

"Pro-remain rallies cancelled over safety fears "

Several pro Europe rallies in England have been cancelled as the police say they guarantee their safety.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/28/pro-remain-rallies-cancelled-over-safety-fears

 

I don't know how many Brits are living in Europe but I can say that last night the BBC was saying it was 1.5m which I thought was a bit low.

 

Interesting article.

Marine Le Pen: After Brexit, the People&#8217;s Spring Is Inevitable

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/06/2...ble.html?_r=0&referer=https://www.google.com/

 

Are these people not aware that the votes have been cast and they lost? The jokes about these hapless souls, comparing them to wanting a do-over with Iceland, continue. They should start planning for the new UK.

 

It has been said that "War is the continuation of politics by other means" and f so then politics is just war by other means.

Here's one German's response. http://www.thelocal.de/20160625/germany-says-wont-let-anyone-take-europe-from-us

But of course some Muslims feel their version of war/politics will also be triumphant. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ies-vows-trample-underfoot-Allah-willing.html

The British people made the only intelligent decision they could, which is to get a handle on their own affairs and not rely on the whims of Brussels bureaucrats to make their decisions for them.