Poland Accuses Russia Of Shooting Missiles Into It's Territory

I hadn't heard of it, or if I did, I long ago forgot the acronym. Way too many acronyms right? Inherently I knew some such training system had been built. I myself have built similar systems. Not a good topic to go into details about though, obviously.

Very familiar with MILES. I think just about everyone is. Better than paintball!

As for the size of the bang for an S-300? I would think even a 2-ton rock without any explosives whatsoever would do considerable damage to a tank at those velocities. lol. 1/2 mv^2

 

Military retaliation? Why? If there is no effect outside of Ukraine... why?
Sanctions? Okay.. probably. But I have never seen sanctions accomplish anything. I was stationed at Camp Liberty in Iraq and lived near the gorgeous "Z Lake" that Sadaam built, along with the many palaces that went with it, during the harshest days of sanctions against him. I never met an Iraqi that even knew that sanctions had been imposed.
My own opinion that is that such an event would be more of a demonstration to destroy Ukrainian morale than to achieve any battlefield tactical objective. I think Putin is running out of equipment and Soldiers and may do this to get Zalensky to quit. The Japanese Emperor was forced to "bear the unbearable and endure the unendurable" when faced with nukes. Putin may be hoping for the same reaction.

 

Well, neocons aren't buying it right?

As you already know, neocons want no less than regime change in Russia.

 

Poland explosion was Ukraine defending itself against Russia, says NATO
By Emily Rauhala

BRUSSELS — NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said Wednesday that the explosions in Poland that claimed two lives were probably caused by a Ukrainian missile defending against Russian strikes.

The remark, made following a meeting of NATO ambassadors in Brussels, came after Western leaders urged calm and tried to curtail speculation about the risk of direct hostilities between Russia and NATO.

Stoltenberg said the incident is still being investigated but the blast was most likely due to a Ukrainian antiaircraft missile defending against a Russian cruise missile. Still, he stressed, Russia is to blame.

“This is not Ukraine’s fault, Russia bears the ultimate responsibility,” he said at a news conference at the alliance’s Brussels headquarters. . . .

 

Ever read about the origins of the shaped-charge? Fascinating story.

 

And so I don't support the idea that a 3rd party becomes responsible for equipment that doesn't work and caused damage somewhere else.

 

And nothing you said changes that statement or those facts. Russia, being the aggressor is responsible for all collatoral damage caused by this aggression as the defending nation defends itself.

 

You'd be surprised what an M1 made of depleted uranium alloy can withstand. It takes a DU SABOT round or at least a shaped charge and a direct hit.
MILES is my bag. I even hold a patent on some of the laser aiming gear used in the HELLFIRE transmitter.
"MILES is a force multiplier of a degree not seen since the introduction of the LONGBOW at the Battle of Agincourt"... LTG Julius Becton
(Don't worry. I won't discuss "Rosette Scan")

 

Nothing to do with effects...although it has been argued that fallout is no respecter of boundaries...anyway....its about sending a message; it's about containment and limiting the level of escalation and the direction of travel thereafter. There is no point in playing salami tactics with nuclear weapons....1Kt is small and they'll do nothing so next time we'll use 5Kt and then 25Kt....salami tactics....when does it get big enough that something has to be done...when Kyiv is evaporated?

 

Do you work for the West's propaganda team? This is exactly the language they use. It was a SOVIET built missile. A ground-launched missile. Russia doesn't have any ground-based missiles in that part of "the ukraine".

So get over it. ukie screwed up.

 

No. Understand the physics, but never read the history.

 

Well of course they can't come out against the horse they hitched their wagon to....that would be humiliating! The west has the biggest egos! They are well past taking responsibility once they sided with ukie's Bandera nazis.

Maybe next week Jens will find those WMDs in Iraq?

 

He's not that impartial, now is it?

 

nazi's?

 

While it could have been another S300 missile that went astray.....

......it could just be another elensky false flag. He needs removing.

 

If a nuke is detonated at an altitude where the fireball doesn't touch the ground, there is almost no significant fallout. If "stuff" gets sucked into the fireball... it gets irradiated and become fallout. If the device is detonated at an altitude where the fireball does not touch the ground, there is little "stuff" to be irradiated and very little fallout.
I do not subscribe to your theory of escalation. I Commanded a nuclear capable M110A2 (8") Artillery battery (B Battery, 2d Battalion, 5th Field Artillery Regiment, V Corps Artillery) in Germany in the early 1980's. We never assumed the escalation you speak of.

 

Do you need to be filled in? Surely you jest

 

I don't see how on earth a 3rd party can be made responsible of damages caused by 1 party on an other.
With this, you seem to favor that one party can recklessly do whatever, because the blame is going to end up on a 3rd party anyways.
That's not right. We all know it.

 

Bandera has been dead for 60 years and plays no roll in this war. The US build it's empire on white superiority and slaving black people around. That too ended 60 years ago. We're not viewing Biden as a supporter of them days either.

Surely you jest, right?

 

It can if the launch of that defense missle was set off caused by the agression of that third party.

If I push you, and you stumble back into a third person...I'm responsible for that. Not you.

Russia's fault. And I think NATO is of the same opinion.

https://www.businessinsider.com/nato-russia-to-blame-missile-poland-even-if-ukraine-fired-2022-11
"But let me clear," he said. "This is not Ukraine's fault. Russia bears ultimate responsibility as it continues its illegal war against Ukraine."

Poor Russia.

 

You just want it to be like that. That's basically your opinion.

If you hit me, and I hit back.... but do to my own clumsiness hit some woman standing behind you minder her own business... than it's on me.
It's all part of being responsible for your own actions. Not that hard of a concept.

The head of NATO is not pinning the blame on a country they support by the billions against Russia, but blames Russia.
I'm shocked! lol

 

During WWII Allied troops began reporting what they referred to as super rounds. The bazookas of the day had no hope of penetrating the frontal armor of your average Panzer or Tiger. Nonetheless, every now and then some of the rounds proved devastatingly effective. When they came back with their reports no one believed them. At some point the military began to take notice and investigate. They took a fairly large sample of these rounds and meticulously noted every aspect of the rounds before test firing them to see if there was anything to the reports. Unfortunately, their methods lacked sufficient sophistication. If the rounds had manufacturing defects they were discarded. As a result, they never discovered any of these super rounds during testing and wrote it off as a myth.

Bazooka rounds used a crush switch to set off the explosive. This is basically two concentric cones on the front of the round electrically isolated from each other. When the round contacts the target the cones are crushed and make electrical contact. This is what set off the charge. In WWII manufacturing wasn't of the highest quality control. Demand was high and they cranked out rounds as fast as they could. Inevitably, some of these rounds had the inner-cone of the crush switch inserted upside down into the octal. It was this geometry which of course results in the concentration of the energy sufficient to create the plasma rod necessary to penetrate right through the armor like a hot knife through butter. However, because they were examining every detail of the rounds before test firing and throwing out what they considered faulty rounds, they never tested the rounds they were looking for. A civilian engineer noted the error in the process but was overruled by his superiors. Over a long story he managed to have the discarded rounds set aside and eventually through much effort purchased the munitions for next to nothing and managed to get a small contract to perform similar tests on these rounds. It didn't take long to figure out what the key to success was.

Of course, they have now made significant advances and even defensive methods which resulted in dual and even triple tandem shaped charges. But without the meticulous efforts of this one guy, we might never have discovered the secret.

Perhaps equally interesting is the fact others had noted aspects of the effect several hundred years earlier. However, it was never fully understood or appreciated and had long been forgotten.

 

Bandera's followers are the reason for this war, that and the US's 2014 Coup.

Bandera and Nazism is alive and well in ukraine. What would you think if Germany was currently propping up new statues of Hitler and naming streets after him? That's what they are doing in ukraine. People that couldn't finger ukraine on a map in January don't know why the conflict is happening.

https://forward.com/news/462916/nazi-collaborator-monuments-in-ukraine/

 

Ya, the Russians been acting like Nazi's since the started this war.

 

They voted in a comedian/actor in Ukraine. The name of his political party carries the name that was used as the title of his last tv series. His party is being branded by others as a centrist party with no extremes, with liberal and populistic tendencies. Those are the facts. And all you got is parroting Russian state propaganda that uses a guilty by association argument. Such an argument is of course a total fallacy.

There are indeed nazi's who march up and down in support of Bandera, but that doesn't mean Zelensky organized it or is part of it. There are nazi's marching up and down in the US as well. Nobody in it's right mind thinks the US government is a supporter or organizer of it. They even got a 190 x 90 feet utterly utterly utterly massive statue supporting white supremacy in the US, you should know this with your pro slaver flag symbol that you use as avatar ... it doesn't mean jack what Biden thinks.


You're totally free to point out where nazi like symbols are present in the Ukrainian armed forces, or other governmental officials, to prove your point though. While using such an avatar, it only seems that you favor white exceptionalism / extremist right wing idea's. I am indeed free to point that out too. Oh the irony....