Poland Accuses Russia Of Shooting Missiles Into It's Territory

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  1. ToughTalk

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    No no no. See you think this was an OFFENSIVE missle. It wasnt. It was defensive. So it's not you "punching back" it would be closer to reality if I punch you and in the process of you lifting your arm to block your face, you knock over someone else. Which is what this missle was trying to do. It was trying to intercept the punch. Or block it.

    Not your fault. You were defending yourself. I would be to blame for causing you to have to defend yourself.

    ;)

    Now if you blocked me, then tried to hit me back and hit someone else...sure! Your fault. But that anaology isn't comparable to what happened. I've now corrected you.
     
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    sure that's clear I agree...
    I can understand that....but...to date that's all this conflict has been about.... escalating the levels of conflict...Nordstream pipleine....targetting civilians...and and...:(

    I was in Germany in the early 80's in Osnabruck, if you were every pottering about Sennelager we may have bumped into each other at the Bratty wagon.......:D
     
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    You can say all you want, that the intent of Ukraine was to defend. They still send a missile flying the wrong way. And that "sending a missile" is the equivalent of me punching .... in the wrong direction and hitting somebody else.
     
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  4. ToughTalk

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    They sent a missle up to block an incoming missle and missed. Or it hit and they both sailed into Poland. Either way...the reaction from Ukraine to Russia's aggression is the fault of Russia.
     
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    Even Biden now denying it came from Russia. He's saying it was a Ukrainian SAM that malfunctioned. I don't think Zalensky is going to be very happy with that. If it had come from a Ukrainian anti-aircraft launcher the crew would noticed it turning to the wrong direction and heading towards Poland. Both Russia and Ukraine are denying this is their missile. So who is lying? Biden, Zalensky or Putin?
     
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    So who do you think is lying, Biden, Zalensky or Putin? Biden is agreeing with Russia and is blaming Ukraine for this.
     
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    Ask and you shall receive:

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    Do you know what the red and black flag represents? Search ukraine and you'll see plenty.


    Notice the patch on the soldier on the right...it's Waffen SS 14th Division https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS_(1st_Galician)

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    ukraine's SBU uses that symbol on their uniforms (I've posted it here before)

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    it says no fascists in ukraine

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    ^^^ https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/u...nazi-symbols-helmets-ukraine-soldiers-n198961

    "Germans were confronted with images of their country’s dark past on Monday night, when German public broadcaster ZDF showed video of Ukrainian soldiers with Nazi symbols on their helmets in its evening newscast."
     
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    Zelensky the lying POS probably tried a false flag. Why else would they not just come out and say it was there's? The reason he's lying now is because he lied to begin with.
     
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    The missile missed, because it was send massively in the wrong direction. It's a stray/malfunction, which is the equivalent of me punching in some random direction hitting somebody else. It's not exactly a miss because it was aimed almost right. After all the Russian missile came from Russia, and if you intent to block it, Ukraine would send a missile towards it / towards Russia. Poland is somewhere totally else. And you do not send a missile to block an other missile with an idea that you can catch up / with the idea that you would aim away from Russia and towards Poland. It doesn't work like that. I assume this is not new to you.
     
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    Are you not capable of understanding that this was a Soviet era designed Russian manufactured missile that misfired and the result was that two innocent Poles were accidentally killed. Do you not understand that or are you purposefully ignoring the fact that if Russia was not committing war crimes by firing missiles at Ukrainian civilian targets those two innocent people would likely still be alive this morning. You do know I am sure that Russia has been killing innocent non military Ukrainians since 2014! You do know that but instead of admitting it you repeat Russian lies and Kremlin propaganda.
     
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    If any radar data was out there that showed the track it should be made public. But as you say, if it was used as a defensive weapon, then it would have had to have made a 180 degree U turn and go the opposite direction. It smells more and more like a false flag by the shitbags in ukraine.
     
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    The ultimate cause of this unfortunate incident is with Russia because if Russian was not firing missiles at Ukrainian civilian target Ukrainians would not have to defend against such cowardly acts. Therefor Russia IS responsible for the death of those two Polish people.
     
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    You're ukrainian. I guess you are fine with 8 years of genocide against ethnic Russians in the Ukrainian Donbass.
     
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    It wasn't genocide. Stop being so pathetic. Go ahead and post me hundreds of examples of Russian's being killed, by Ukrainians, that still doesn't not make a genocide.
     
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    How do you feel about Biden agreeing with Russia that it was a Ukrainian missile that malfunctioned and killed Polish citizens?
     
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    I am an American. How could anyone be fine with a lie. The accusation against the Ukrainians of “genocide” against ethnic “Russians” is a lie and you know it. It is a lie made up by Russians in order to firstly to attempt to justify the separatist traitors in the East and secondly for Russia/ Putin to use as another false reason to invade and wage war against Ukraine.
     
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    Do you think that his statement is in conflict with Biden's statement?

    It can be a Ukrainian missile, and still be Russia's fault, because Ukraine wouldn't be firing missiles if Russia hadn't invaded their country.
     
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    So you're a "big picture" person? I really don't think that is what Biden is saying.
     
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    Russia itself is incredibly racist towards ethnic minorities, jewish and black people that live inside Russia. Thus, any claims of Nazism by Russia is falling on deaf ears. It is like the Pot calling the Kettle Black symbolism.
     
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    Russia inspired the separatist war in the East and then falsely claimed that Russia had no troops fighting against Ukraine in the East. When Ukrainians captured Russian soldiers in the East Russia lied again and claimed ( falsely of course) that they were “volunteers”. Ohotnyki I tell you ! Sure !
     
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    Russia just committed 8 months of Genocide killing 60k of its own Russian people and up to 100k injured amongst the thousands of innocent Ukrainians murdered by an egotistical maniac who unprovingly claims 14k Russians died in Donbass.
     
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    There are 170 ethnic groups in Russia.
     
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    You don't know that. LOL You havnt a clue as to what led to the missle ending in Poland. All you know is what I know. Russia launched a **** ton of missles yesterday and somehow a defensive missle launched from Ukraine ended in Poland.

    That's all you know.

    Now I'm not a gambling man, but my money would be on the reality that Ukraine was trying to block an incoming missle from Belarus with a defensive missle and missed. I believe that to be the case much more than them just wasting a missle to lob it into Poland. Let's not to try and pretend that Russia HASN'T launched missles into Ukraine from Poland before.

    https://news.yahoo.com/russia-launches-least-5-missiles-011841944.html

    They have. And let's try to not pretend that there was a Ukraine wide missle barrage launched at Ukraine yesterday.
     
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    It was a Russian manufactured missile being used to defend against Russian fired missiles that Russia uses to commit the war crimes against Ukrainian civilians. Therefore Biden is technically correct. How do you feel about Biden asking for $37.5 B for more aid to Ukraine because of the Russian invasion ? How do you feel about Poland and EU Lu tries and the US saying that Ukraine needs more weapons to defend itself against Russian invaders?
     
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    While the Racism towards many ethnic groups and Africans is quite rampant even inside some government institutions.
     

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