Polar vortex returns

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/polar-vortex-returns-heres-where-itll-be-coldest/

As climate change believers tend to explain all bad weather events with a global warming, so I'm interested to listen to their opinions now. Is this a global warming that causes extremely low temretures? And what should we do about this? Low emmissions of non-toxic CO2? Or are there any new smart ideas?

 

Global warming has to do with global average temperatures. I know denialists and conspiracy theorists have hard problem with the global part of global warming, but it is fairly central to the claim.

In other words: if you think that the polar vortex disproves global warming, then you haven't the slightest idea what global warming even means in the first place.

 

Not the same, it's just Winter,

Not the same. This year we are getting some rain and lots of atmospheric moisture in Southern California.
How come Last Year's Polar Vortex blocked the rain? No El Ninozilla. here.

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They also have a huge issue with the AVERAGE part of global average temperatures. For those denialists struggling with the term let me explain it simply

America might have ONE record cold day this year but if all other temperature measures are above normal then the AVERAGE will be above normal

Now we know that winters are getting shorter - there are still really cold days but now there are fewer of them

http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar5/syr/SYR_AR5_FINAL_full_wcover.pdf

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Oh! And here is a link from Scientific American (which despite what the right thinks is not a conspiracy theory site) which explains the phenomena

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earthtalks-global-warming-harsher-winter/

Grumph!!! A 20 second google got the answer but That does not stop someone coming on the internet claiming there is no evidence Grumph!!!

 

So you agree this bad weater event is not caused by global warming? Why do you think that hurricanes are?

 

1) Yes 2) I, of course, don't. Try again.

 

Another denialist fallacy - confuse weather with climate.

No single event can be shown to either be caused by global warming or not caused by global warming

It is the TRENDS that dictate the outcome

In other words think big picture not backyard plot

 

humm melting polar ice caps maybe increasing this vortex

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...-destabilising-polar-vortex-study-claims.html

 

I'll come back to this after covering a couple of other issues

 

= winter returns.

Polar vortex... lol

That is such a news hypey term, something that sounds cool and draws clicks.

 

interesting video time 1:10 [video=youtube;2IS8Hv4fCbA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IS8Hv4fCbA[/video] it appearers the warm jet streams are traping the cold pocket at the cap thus creating a Huge low pressure event

 

related

 

heres the last vortex in 2014 note the warm jet stream trap the cold at the cap and created a large low pressure zone

2013

 

now you can see it better here the warmer the globe in the equator gets the jet stream squeezes pushes up on the caps thus forcing the colder area in that pocket of EXTREME vortex cold

 

Huge polar vortex. The world is entering a new ice age! .....looks like deniers are the alarmist.

 

If you were seriously wanting to discuss whether global warming is real you woukd stop trolling and educate yourself about what weather is vs what climate is. The polar express is not climate change it a weather event that brings cold weather down from the artic for a while. Sometimes we get the opposite and we have a weather event of warm air coming up the coast from the tropics and it gets unusually warm for a while.

Climate change deniers tend to use short term weather events or short term weather patterns as excuses to deny climate change.

You do not project the image of someone who wants to honestly discuss whether or not climate change exists but you seem to want only to troll. You need to find another pond to troll.

 

Hurricanes didn't exist before human industrialization and all geologists who claim the climate and ocean levels have dramatically changed over the history of earth are all liars. There were no tornados, hurricanes, climate change or ocean level changes until human industrialization within the last 200 years.

It is a proven fact that only humans burning fossil fuels can change the earth's climate or the ocean levels, isn't it?

Personally, I suspect the primary effect of burning fossil fuels has been to prevent or slow the next ice age to hit now that every scientist was predicting for decades.

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It is really foggy outside. Climate change causes this, correct?

 

Yeah right - build your straw men

 

It is not a strawman, but pointing out the absurdity of ranting "the climate is changing! The ocean levels are changing! We MUST stop this!" Yes, change TERRIFIES some people. We are seeing this now about the election in which by appointments Trump MAY actually be trying to change from the status quo - causing a real panic among people who tend to be panicky and easily frightened by anything new or different - another form of xenophobia.

The climate is always changing as are the ocean levels. Why not rant on summer nights "It's going to get HOT soon! We gotta do something to stop it!"

Some humans are not only panicky but also overrate the importance of humans to this planet. Life on this planet has survived far, far worse AND involved superior past each change and event. Climate change and sea level change is self correcting and adjusting. It always has been, always will be. You can live in fear of such perpetual changes - or not. I don't.

There are winners and there are losers in climate change and changing sea levels. You can sob for the losers or cheer for the winners, your choice.

What climate change alarmists NEVER do is actually propose any solutions that are not self destructive of humans and, of course, give massive money and power to government - while using this to divert from actual REAL environmental issues that can easily be addressed. Climate change has been a clever tactic to divert from virtually all other environmental issues - such as the poisoning of the oceans.

What is particularly notable is the ministers of climate change are THE GREATEST personal users of energy of all to extremes flying about in private jets and living in huge mansions with huge landscaped and watered yards. Total hypocrites who don't believe a word they say and even more truly don't give a damn personally. They will consume more and live in a way to release more "carbon" than you will in a year, while cursing you for not riding a bicycle and using reusable bags for groceries.

 

Is the polar vortex tied to climate change?

The polar vortex is totally separate from global warming and climate change.

"Climate change is not based on a single event like a polar vortex-induced cold snap. It's measured over a long period of time and government statistics, going back to 1880 when record-keeping began, show that on average, the world's annual temperature has been ticking upward," TODAY's Al Roker said.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/weather/what-polar-vortex-here-s-everything-you-need-know-n694906

But not so sure about the haunting extended episodes,
still some factors needs to be studied.

 

Did Dinosaur industrialists end the ice age by burning lots of coal?

How did the Vikings make the world so hot. Man those were some carbon emitting fools.

 

Umm - how can you NOT know about extinction events?

How can you not understand even the basics about climate science

Or are we just building more straw men???

But go on make vague allegations about vague misremebered points

 

It only takes 1 major solar flare, one significant asteroid impact, one major volcano eruption, or one major ocean or water release of methane - all that have happened hundreds of thousands to millions of times - to reduce the effects of humans on the climate and sea levels to irrelevant trivia.
Environmentalists demanding trees not be cut - when doing so is necessary for fire control - leading to massive fires over and over likely causes more avoidable release of Co2 in the USA than all the sobbing about burning coal. And I have yet to read Climater Changers ranting against BLM riot arsons resulting in Co2 emission.

 

Is there a single extinction event associated with warming, though? Seems to me that, barring something extraordinary such as meteor impacts, life has died out in association with ice ages.

 

It seems your views can only deal in extremes. Evolution itself is an ongoing "extinction event" just as climate change is an ongoing perpetual event that has been happening for billions of years. It is foolish to believe humans can stop either evolution or the earth changing.

By the concept of evolution, you nor any other human would even exist but for climate change. There are winners and there are losers continually as earth continually changes. This includes climate change.

It is false to claim I am a "climate change denier." In fact, the climate is changing is a nonstop truism across all of earth's history. What I reject is your panic and the demands that are made in response.

Changes in the earth eliminates species. Changes chemistry in water, air and more. It also creates new species that fill the vacancies and evolve along with the earth's changes and evolution. Human existence is part of this evolution, as is our technology and energy sources. The earth can handle it just fine. What can not be solved is your fear of change, when change is a certainty no matter what you or anyone else does.

Stop panicking. You're going to be OK, really. If it gets too hot for you? Well, that's what air conditioning is for. Lucky you being the technologically superior species on this planet, huh?