Polar vortex returns

Discussion in 'Environment & Conservation' started by Blinda Vaganto, Dec 13, 2016.

  1. jackdog

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    he is just dear leader

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    Gore? Who is he?
     
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    Franklin Delano Gore - running back for the Colts. :smile: BB is Australian might favor the Sydney Swans ??
     
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    Ahhh..I knew it sounded familiar!
     
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    Your post just proves that an increase in temperatures in the corn belt can destroy production in the Midwest and Florida will not make up the difference. Sure you can farm just about anywhere...if you have the land available for farming. You also must have the infrastructure in place. Corn production can become a very risky business if hotter summers become more frequent in the corn belt and even more risky on the high plains if drought frequency increases. Farmers can't just pull up stakes and move when conditions change. Land is expensive. And if you start a new farm the startup cost is very prohibitive. Even if you don't bulldoze the forest to start the farm.
     
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    what is it about adjusting your growing season to match the climate that you are growing in that confuses you so much? This ain't rocket science but it seems to throw you for a loop. BTW corn production in Florida is a 100 million a year crop, you just plant in September in S Florida but in northern Florida you adjust it a few weeks to account for the cooler winter temps. I am a couple of states to the north of Florida so I put mine outside in late March. When I was in Maine I had to wait till May or June. I can't explain it any simpler than that, a 5th grader should be able to grasp the concept.

    here is a link to Florida corn http://erec.ifas.ufl.edu/fciig/sfcp.htm

    BTW droughts are part of farming and have been occurring as long as there has been recorded history . Educate yourself before posting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droughts_in_the_United_States It might save you some embarrassment
     
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    Photoperiod...
     
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    guess you cannot read a link. The photoperiod does not stop Florida farmers from growing corn in mid winter or the farmers in Iowa from growing it in mid summer. But that's a nice grasp at a straw
     
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    True.. but a lot of plants are affected by photoperiod. Onions, spinach, and others. Length of growing season also figures in. Planting corn early may work where I live if it doesn't frost but planting late may have the corn tassle right during our hottest and driest days. It is a little more complex than just moving the planting times. The best strategy for farmers IMHO is rebuilding the soil the crops are planted in. When a farm gets 50 inches of moisture and irrigates another 50 inches the soil is degraded.
     
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    That would be a great argument except for the fact that so many AGW proponents made so many specific claims about rising sea level flooding cities, increased number of hurricanes, drought, decreasing ranges of farm land, floods, etc.

    In their zeal to sell their hypothesis, rather than take the time to actually present their claims and convince people, the AGW crowd decided to go the sensational route in order to scare people into immediately enacting the AGW "solution" of tremendous social upheaval. Now that all those specific claims have failed to come about, even if its true (and I don't believe the AGW religion) AGW is history.
     
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    do you even bother checking the crap you are cutting and pasting ? Florida has a 100 million a year corn business, grow season is September through February, same season for spinach. Ever hear of Vidalia onions, some of the best onions ever grown come from Vidalia Ga which is on the Fl/Ga border. I won't even get into the amount of winter produce coming in from Mexico on the store shelves this time of year
     
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    If climate change is a hoax as you claim why is any adjustment required in the planting season. A Florida corn crop is a drop in the bucket. We export billions of farm products annually. There are also neutral day onions. You fail to see the harm climate change will cause American farmers. You also fail to see the harm done world wide. The soil food web is fragile indeed.
     
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    we have been warminng since we came out of the last ice age. we will continue warming until we back into another and not a damn thing we can do about it.I can tell you have never grown a damn thing in your life.I have been gardening since I was a child, no two years are alike

    ok so I guess the Vidalia Onions are a denier rumor and that the 100 million dollar a year corn industry in Florida is Koch brothers conspiracy

    why should I believe my lying eyes when I see all that Mexican winter produce over at the BiLo when I have a EPA report telling me produce does not grow in the winter

    you are truly a devout follower of the AGW cult. You believe the propaganda over the facts and the facts are is that every type of produce that is grown in the summer in Northern latitudes is grown in the winter in the warmer latitudes. I ate some yesterday
     
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    AGW alarmists also took the dishonest path - the hockey stick and ClimateGate are the best examples.
     
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    well the UK is certainly seeing the light, I wonder if it is too late for them already. Luckily here in the USA we elected Trump instead of Clinton


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...resent-theresa-may-could-give-us-sane-energy/

    What is by far the most important Christmas and New Year present Theresa May could give the British people (apart, of course, from a sensible strategy for Brexit)? A clue to the answer might be an extraordinary talk reported on the front-page of last Monday’s Telegraph, given by Andrew Wright, formerly acting head and now a “senior partner” of our energy regulator, Ofgem.

    Thanks, he warned, to our decision to phase out using fossil fuels to make electricity, in favour of relying increasingly on “intermittent” renewables such as wind farms, we will quite soon be facing such a “supply crisis” that this will make power cuts and blackouts inevitable. He even suggested that we may have to introduce a two-tier tariff structure: whereby only those who can afford to pay a much higher price can be guaranteed “as much electricity as they want”; while those millions who can’t will just have to get used to “sitting in the dark”.


    and https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jan/26/engineers-warn-of-looming-uk-energy-gap

    The UK is facing an unprecedented “energy gap” in a decade’s time, according to engineers, with demand for electricity likely to outstrip supply by more than 40%, which could lead to blackouts.

    New policies to stop unabated coal-fired power generation by 2025, and the phasing out of ageing nuclear reactors without plans in place to build a new fleet of gas-fired electricity plants, will combine to create a supply crunch, according to a new study.

    Refugees need help – we want to provide it“Under current [government] policy, it is almost impossible for UK electricity demand to be met by 2025,” said Jenifer Baxter, head of energy and environment at the Institution of Mechanical Engineers (IMechE), which published the report, entitled Engineering the UK’s Electricity Gap, on Tuesday.

    As many as 30 new gas-fired power stations are likely to be needed to make up the supply deficit, according to the report, but these are not being built. Reforms to the electricity market brought in under the previous coalition government are also not helping to encourage construction.
     
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    This ^^ is a great example of the alarmist policies doing economic harm to a country which implements them. And that this economic harm is regressive, that is it adversely effects the low income earners. Thanks alarmists.
     

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