Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Atheism

Discussion in 'Religion & Philosophy' started by KAMALAYKA, Mar 20, 2016.

  1. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2008
    Messages:
    14,039
    Likes Received:
    41
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Physical attributes is totally different from human and animal intelligence. Humans can be consider the weakest animal in the world but because humans is the only animal that possess human intelligence it gives us the advantage over all other animals.

    Cheetahs maybe be faster than humans, Grizzly Bears much stronger than humans but human have the human intelligence to create cars the that can run faster than a Cheetah. Guns that can take down a Grizzly Bear.
    Animals that possess human intelligence is only found in science fiction in movies such as Dr. Doolittle, Lion King, Ants, Planet of the Apes especially Planet of the Apes the science fiction that uses science to project that apes can acquire human intelligence through human intervention.

    Do you believe that none human animals possess human intelligence?
    I understand that your position and answer to the question is Yes and I am beginning to understand that atheist aside from not believing in God it is also believing in science fiction that one day those fiction will become true.
     
  2. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2008
    Messages:
    14,039
    Likes Received:
    41
    Trophy Points:
    0
    All animals possess a smartness, humans are animals but animals are not humans and they do not possess human intelligence.
    You don't have to answer for the 6th time I got your answer that not only do atheist do not believe in God they also believe in science fiction and that one day those fiction they hope and believe will become true.
     
  3. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2008
    Messages:
    14,039
    Likes Received:
    41
    Trophy Points:
    0
    That is what atheist science believe that humans evolved from chimps and that human intelligence can also evolved in chimps and on other none human animals. Animals have potential to become human like through evolution that one day science fictions such as Planet of the Apes will become a reality.
     
  4. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 15, 2008
    Messages:
    28,370
    Likes Received:
    9,297
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    As only humans believe in God...it only makes sense they would be the only ones who do not believe in a thing they made up in the first place. And yes, they also believe science fiction can come true...primarily because it very often does. Or do you think the computer you type on just poofed into existence as well. In fact much of Sci-Fi has much more going for it than the fiction you take as Gospel.
     
  5. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2008
    Messages:
    14,039
    Likes Received:
    41
    Trophy Points:
    0
    The church builds hospitals to cure the physical illness and churches to give spiritual hope to those who are in despair. Christians believe deeds must be moral and just and prayer guide us to understand that. Christianity believe dying for others to save life that the unborn deserves life not death.
     
  6. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2008
    Messages:
    14,039
    Likes Received:
    41
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Most of the once upon a time science fiction such as flight, submarines, electricity, wireless communications, smart computers, etc. etc. all became a reality because of human intelligence by humans none by none human creation.

    And the only way none human animals can acquire human intelligence or become human like is by intelligent design....design by humans and it all begun from God when God design human intelligence and bestowed on humans not on none human animals and through humans the ability and art of creation is passed on so that men can expand this universe as God's care taker.
     
  7. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2013
    Messages:
    60,380
    Likes Received:
    16,540
    Trophy Points:
    113
    As I said, animals display a range of intelligence, with human animals having large and complex brains showing design that is clearly and strongly related to the design of the brains of other animals. There is a clear evolutionary progression in human brain power. However, it is also clear that evolution does not have intelligence as an objective. Plus, there are many other ways of competing, and brains are expensive.

    You are getting confused about religion in this. Atheism v theism is NOT the issue. Both of those have to do with religious belief, not science.

    The conflict you are trying so hard to promote is between science and religion - any religion. But, those are not in competition. Religion and science are different realms. They have different fundamental assumptions. They have different logic. They answer different questions, with religion addressing "why" while science explores "how".

    There is NO positive result that can come from confusing what religion is.
     
  8. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2013
    Messages:
    60,380
    Likes Received:
    16,540
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You have no evidence for intelligent design. ID is pure religion.

    You can, of course, believe anything you want. But, do not suggest that ID is science, because THAT is simply false.
     
  9. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2013
    Messages:
    60,380
    Likes Received:
    16,540
    Trophy Points:
    113
    NO.

    Humans did not evolve from chimps.

    Whether chimps develop more brain power will be determined by whether there is any significant advantage to chimps in having more brain power. It will take tens of thousands of years to find out the answer to that question, as evolution takes time.
     
  10. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 15, 2008
    Messages:
    28,370
    Likes Received:
    9,297
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Well...Okay....You should write your own science fiction as you seem to have the imagination for it.

    I highly recommend you get a good editor and several proofreaders before you do.
     
  11. trevorw2539

    trevorw2539 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2013
    Messages:
    8,343
    Likes Received:
    1,263
    Trophy Points:
    113
    WarRen has already 'rewritten' the Bible on another thread. :smile:
     
  12. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2008
    Messages:
    14,039
    Likes Received:
    41
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Super computers, self driving vehicles, self sustaining HVAC systems, automated factory machines, computer chip were all intelligent design by humans it did not evolved on its own.
    Science understood intelligent design its just what of their range of knowledge and scope that is why the more discoveries science makes the more it reveals the existence of intelligent design.
     
  13. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2008
    Messages:
    14,039
    Likes Received:
    41
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Writing science fiction is for fiction writers, believing science fiction is real is for atheist as far as those who are in this thread they don't imagine it they really believe science fiction is real science.
     
  14. Electron

    Electron Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 27, 2011
    Messages:
    1,932
    Likes Received:
    1,108
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Proof: Chimp level intelligence occasionally persists in our species. ;)
     
  15. Electron

    Electron Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 27, 2011
    Messages:
    1,932
    Likes Received:
    1,108
    Trophy Points:
    113
    God bless that pesky atheist! ;)
     
  16. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2013
    Messages:
    60,380
    Likes Received:
    16,540
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Look. You have NO scientific evidence of ID. It is a religious concept.

    You keep saying evolution can't do it. But, you have NO scientific evidence to justify that particular religious belief of yours.
     
  17. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 15, 2008
    Messages:
    28,370
    Likes Received:
    9,297
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    It would seem you know the Atheist mind better than the Atheist knows himself. Perhaps us Atheists should play the same game and tell you how your mind thinks as well? We could just start with the Bible(s) and warp it into gradeschool mentality, add a couple thousand grammatical and spelling errors, throw in some even more bizarre strangeness, and wrap it up in pixie dust cellophane.
     
  18. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2008
    Messages:
    14,039
    Likes Received:
    41
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Lets take away religion and use science so far science has not been able to provide any evidence that none human animals have or can evolved human intelligence. Right now science answer to that is we don't know yet how human intelligence is only on humans. So, on that basis why must atheist claim that none human animals have or can evolved to become humans with human intelligence?
     
  19. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2008
    Messages:
    14,039
    Likes Received:
    41
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Taught questions about the Bible and Christianity has already an existing thread and we Christians have responded to all the questions there with reason, facts, history and common sense. Here, common sense and logic even science is missing only science fiction is being embraced.
     
  20. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2014
    Messages:
    56,891
    Likes Received:
    21,025
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Atheists don't say that.....isn't lying a sin?
     
  21. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2008
    Messages:
    14,039
    Likes Received:
    41
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Without an intelligent design none human animals will not evolved to acquire human intelligence,
     
  22. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2008
    Messages:
    14,039
    Likes Received:
    41
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Yes lying is a sin but atheist do not recognize sin that is why they claim none human animals can or can evolved to become like humans with human intelligence just like in science fictions Planet of the Apes, Ants, Bees, Alice in Wonderland, Jungle Book, Lion King.
     
  23. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2013
    Messages:
    60,380
    Likes Received:
    16,540
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Maybe you aren't understanding science.

    You want to prove evolution false. But, you haven't provided any proof of falseness.

    There are lots of animals and they have a variety of levels of intelligence. Science shows that life forms with brains have brains that have amazingly similar construct. It's just that the brains are more specialized in some dimension. We also find that there are a number of animals that are self aware. That includes humans, of course. And, there are animals that can learn a language that we can understand (such as sign language), and thus we can communicate with them. Obviously, there would have to be some animal that has the "most" intelligence, and right now that animal is us - humans. But, that doesn't prove that evolution can't provide that level of intelligence. All you are showing is that humans have more of that particular feature than other animals have.

    Then, you ask: "Why MUST an atheist claim ...". That is a question of religion. I'd point out that the theory of evolution is a foundation of all modern biology, and there are people of many religions who study biology. So, I don't believe your premise is correct.

    At any rate, the reason the theory of evolution survives is that no refutation has been found, no alternative theory has been found and evolution has been hugely effective as a tool for exploring life throughout all biology.
     
  24. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2014
    Messages:
    56,891
    Likes Received:
    21,025
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Atheists don't say that..


    ...and so you would be the one lying. Are you ruled by what atheists recognize? :)
     
  25. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2013
    Messages:
    60,380
    Likes Received:
    16,540
    Trophy Points:
    113
    There is a divide between religion and science.

    On the science side, your statement amounts to saying that humans didn't evolve to become humans. That would be shattering to the entire scientific study of biology, of course. But, it is totally meaningless without proof that evolution is false. And, you haven't supplied any evidence of that. BTW: ID is religion, so that doesn't count.

    On the religion side, you get to make any statement you want. And, you really don't even have to provide any evidence!!

    Obviously, these are two radically different methods of examining our universe. There is no way to mix them and still make any sense.
     

Share This Page