Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

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  1. Mitt Ryan

    Mitt Ryan Well-Known Member

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    It's obvious you are not understanding the passage in Matt. 5:17 so let me try to explain it to you as thouroughly and clearly as I can possibly be. Let's see what Jesus said in the passage:

    "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets: I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter of stroke shall pass away from the Law, until all is acomplished. Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, as so teaches others, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say to you, that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall not enter the kingdom of heaven." Matt. 5:17-20 NAS

    In this passage Jesus is saying He came to fulfill the law in which He most certainly did. He fulfilled all the messianic prophecies which were more than 300 that foretold His coming (Luke 24:44). He fulfilled the demand of the law for perfect obedience by His sinless life (John 8:29, 46; 1 Peter 2:22). He fulfilled the purpose of the law, (Galatians 3:24-25).

    The Mosaic regime was never intended to be a permanent institution. The beneficial effects of the law, as designed by the Creator, will abide through the age; but not the law itself. Some have alleged that the law would continue in effect until the Second Coming of Christ but without biblical support.

    This fulfillment is the very thing Jesus declared He came to accomplish! Since He did accomplish it, the law was fulfilled, therefore, does not remain an obligatory system today.

    Critics of the Bible (such as yourself freedom) often cite Old Testament instances of slavery, violence against homosexuals, wiping out nations, etc., as evidence of a morally inadequate set of rules. They will also often ask why present-day Christians don't follow these "barbaric" teachings today. They complain that Christians are inconsistent, and say that if we really follow the Bible then why don't we advocate such things as killing both homosexuals (Lev. 20:13) and disobedient children (Deut. 21:18-21).

    The reason we don't is because the Old Covenantal system, that involved such harsh punishments, has been done away with. We are under a new covenant. Jesus said in Luke 22:20 NAS: "This cup which is poured out for you in the new covenant in My blood."

    This new covenant was prophecied in the Old Testament in Jer. 31:31 NAS: "Behold, days are coming," declared the Lord, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah." It is referenced in 1 Cor. 11:25, 2 Cor. 3:6, Heb. 8:8, 9:15 and 12:24.

    Of particular importance is Heb. 8:13 which says, "When He said, 'A new covenant,' He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear." And also Heb. 12:24 NLT which says, "You have come to Jesus, the one who mediates the new covenant between God and people, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks of forgiveness instead of crying out for the vengeance like the blood of Abel."

    The Old Covenant with its harsh judicial judgments is no longer in effect because we are under a New Covenant.
     
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    And we operated under the old covenant for so long in order to impress upon us the impossibility of attaining perfection/living without sin without the intervention of a divine and forgiving father.
     
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    Everyone knows that something does not come from nothing. So, if God is a “something,” then He must have a cause, right?

    The question is tricky because it sneaks in the false assumption that God came from somewhere and then asks where that might be. The answer is that the question does not even make sense. It is like asking, “What does blue smell like?” Blue is not in the category of things that have a smell, so the question itself is flawed. In the same way, God is not in the category of things that are created or caused. God is uncaused and uncreated—He simply exists.

    How do we know this? We know that from nothing, nothing comes. So, if there were ever a time when there was absolutely nothing in existence, then nothing would have ever come into existence. But things do exist. Therefore, since there could never have been absolutely nothing, something had to have always been in existence. That ever-existing thing is what we call God. God is the uncaused Being that caused everything else to come into existence. God is the uncreated Creator who created the universe and everything in it.
     
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    We know this because everyone knows this?

    Really? Is that the best you've got?
     
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    Fact?...don't you mean theory? Let me point out to you theories are not facts, they are more like guesswork....speculation. And so I wouldn't go around spewing out a theory as being factual.
     
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    Oh wait, I get what you're saying.
    Sorry. It's been a long day for me, I'm getting rummy.
     
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    Really now...does it even matter? God does not care about skin color, He loves us all no matter what color we are with that said, He could have made Adam, Moses and Jesus any color under the bright sun...lol
     
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    No problem brother! I knew you would get it...take care!
     
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    It doesn't seem reasonable to you because you are afflicted with this condition called denial, you are in denial because satan is keeping you in the dark.
     
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    Not according to Jesus .. Consider Matt 12 "32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come"

    This same passage is repeated in Luke 12.

    Jesus did not believe in the same kind of trinity as modern christians as he makes a clear distinction between himself and the Holy Spirit.
     
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    The Catholic church preserve all the known and discover documents including those from early heretics and carefully study them all to interpret the Bible under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. The Protestant churches lack the access to historical records and documents to properly interpret the Bible.

    As I have pointed out, all the Apostles and 1st generation and in some extend the early 2nd generation Christians were all in agreement in one Bible interpretation after their deaths Christianity become very fragmented with many individuals making all kinds of false claims and interpretation of the Bible, we have Muslims claiming the bible is corrupt creating their own story line and calling their new Christian religion Islam before that we have the Arians, and Nestorians who do not believe that Jesus is God, then we have the many Protestants all creating their own sects, not to missed the Mormons created by an 19th century American in America.

    Just like every professionals are regulated by respective bodies such as medicine, philosophy, science and engineering all these bodies purpose is to make sure no individuals will falsely claim what they are not and qualify to be, the Catholic church is the body with direct Apostolic link with the purpose to safe guard the proper interpretation of the Bible and screen, educate and train individuals to become true servants of God and to share the true interpretation of the Holy Bible and church history.
     
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    Is it true that people who are catholics has to extend that they are already worshipping the statue of saints and others? what are the misconception?
     
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    Wait, did we suddenly decide to skip half the thread? Questions too hard for you?
     
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    Do you know what circular reasoning is?
     
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    Prove it! You're offering an incredibly broad assertion as fact, with absolutely no backing beyond "Well, I say so!" Or, perhaps, "It's intuitive". It's not logically impossible, it's not demonstrated, and it's not necessarily true.

    No, he means fact, because you don't know what theory means.

    How 'bout the bit about leprosy? You know, how you cure it by killing pigeons and rubbing yourself in their blood? Or hell, the whole Sermon on the Mount?
     
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    No they don't. The Bible is the word of God. How do you know the Bible is the word of God? Because God says so. How do you know God says so? Because the Bible says so.


    Anyone recognize that?
     
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    If only it were true.
     
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    Steady there big fella. Read for comprehension. I did not say "composed of". The bible includes fairy tales.

    People decided what to put in, and what to leave out.;

    People like you decide for themselves what to take literally. Do you think the rivers will really clap their hands, or the rivers sing? Bible says they will.

    Its you who makes his god a liar, by claiming that a fairy tale is the word of god.

    How any adult could possibly think "noahs ark" is about a real event is beyond rational comprehension.

    Kind of like a relative or two of mine who still think Mao was doing things right.
     
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    Catholics do not worship statue the statues are images of real people (saints) and Jesus Christ use as an object of focus so that the body, mind and soul can be one. It is different from pagan idolaters who actually worship statutes of animals and mythic creatures as gods.
     
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