Predictions: The 2024 U.S. Presidential Election.

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  1. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your dogma is whatever you decide to print. I have seen polls from Iowa and New Hampshire that show Trump ahead with women, blacks, Mexicans and just about every identity you like to divide. Figures don't lie but liars do figure. I don't believe your dogma.
    You do appear to me to be "highly indoctrinated."
     
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  2. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Interesting. Please cite your sources if they exist.
     
  3. Nwolfe35

    Nwolfe35 Well-Known Member

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    Well so much for you being reasonable. I really thought we were making headway in our discussion about the legal issues facing Trump and now you go and make a post like this.
     
  4. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The only source you need to know is "yabberefugee". That is every bit as credible as Natty Bumpo. You can make up sources all day long when you are highly indoctrinated.
     
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    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don’t think it will be only Biden vs. Trump. RFK Jr. has already obtained ballot access in Utah and New Hampshire and is in the process of getting on 10 more state ballots, Arizona, California, Colorado, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Nevada, New York and Texas. No Labels has ballot access in at least 14 states, worth 123 electoral college votes: Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Hawaii, Maine, Maryland, Mississippi, Nevada, North Carolina, Oregon, South Dakota, and Utah. Signature gatherers have another 14 states in their sights between now and November. Although no labels haven’t settled on a candidate as of yet. But they have at least 7 more weeks to do so.


    How viable RFK Jr. and perhaps No Labels will be all depends on how well financially they will be. Elections are all about money. Since 1960 the presidential candidate which raised and spent the most money has won every election except one, 2016. Clinton raised and spent 1.2 billion to Trump 647 million. In 2020 Biden raised and spent 1.6 Billion to Trump’s 1.1 billion.


    https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-presidential-campaign-fundraising/


    https://www.opensecrets.org/2020-presidential-race


    To be viable, I would think it would take at least a billion since Biden will probably raise and spent 2 billion, Trump 1.5 billion if 2016/20 are an indication. On the good news side for no labels and perhaps RFK Jr. is 56% of all Americans state that if Donald Trump was the Republican nominee and Joe Biden the Democratic nominee, they would consider voting for an independent moderate candidate. The poll used the word consider which doesn’t mean they’d vote for that independent moderate. Then 64% of all Americans say this Country needs another choice besides Trump vs. Biden.


    https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/HHP_Jan24_KeyResults.pdf


    Much more in that poll link above if you care to scroll through it. But since both Biden and Trump are disliked and not wanted to become the next president by most Americans, the only prediction I'll make is that of a low voter turnout. Lower than 2016 when 54% turnouted out vs. 62% for 2020 and a higher third party vote than 2016, 6% vs. 1.7% for 2020.
     
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  6. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Voters like the idea we had a very secure border, very low inflation, affordable gas, worldwide conflicts very low, and no confusion as to what restroom to use. How does common sense evade the majority of posters on this thread?
     
  7. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    What is your evidence of the U.S. having had a "very secure border" in recent decades? Even with Trump lying about having built his "big, beautiful wall!," "one of the largest infrastructure projects we've ever had in this country!", illegal immigration increased while Trump was in the White House.

    The U.S. has, demonstrably, faired favorably in the matter of global inflation compared to other industrialized nations, and the economy continues strong, the unemployment rate far lower than when Trump was booted, and wages are again rising.

    [https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/inflation-rate-]

    How can the United States control and prevent regional conflicts? Is abandoning Ukraine to an invasion by totalitarian forces in the interests of the U.S. and other democratic nations?

    Some folks support politicians dictating gender identity to everyone; others recognize it is an individualized, personal and private matter - as medical expertise affirms.
     
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    what is unreasonable or wrong about my post-Those are all factually accurate
     
  9. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You ignore the fact that the last three years have record number of illegals flooding our nation? Even blue cities are complaining they can't handle the numbers though they claim sanctuary status? i CAN'T BELIEVE THE DOUBLE SPEAK BUT YOU ARE GOING TO SAY WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO SAY!

    Source? (forget it) Politicians do not "dictate" gender identity to anyone! Nature did that. You don't get to imagine your gender identity. It was done for you. You don't get to imagine your race. It was done for you. You portray yourself, Natty, as so highly educated, but you buy into concepts that you could only embrace by being highly indoctrinated. You must feel your elite status (that you imagine) entitles you to confuse what others see as completely natural. Medical expertise are only expertise because you believe they are! You and Dr. Fauci perhaps.

    Have your medical expertise explain this..... a swimmer who is 500th in men's competition imagines himself a women, competes with them and wins 1st? How is that? Imagination rules? Why aren't women clamouring to play National league Football? All they have to do is imagine themselves men and "Poof" there they are? No I think the differences are VERY apparent and they won't even let their "private imagination" conduce them to giving that a try.

    Here would be my medical expertise opinion. Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus anything that differentiates from that is from Uranus!
     
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    Is that a prediction or wishful thinking??? ;-)
     
  11. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Of course, families attempting to enter the United States have increased dramatically. Unendurable conditions drives folks to an economy that is thriving. Why is Trump ordering his congressional toadies to defeat bipartisan legislation to increase border security?

    Nature dictate cases of gender dysphoria. Your politicians cannot supplant nature.

    Respect medical expertise in such matters. Would you consult Louie Gohmert for your hemorrhoidal issues?
     
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    If Nicki Haley got the Republican nomination, the mainstream media would vilify her too. I get it. They will vilify any Republican because, for them, there is only one acceptable party. They have taken that position for over 60 years. The last time the New York Times endorsed a Republican was Dwight Eisenhower in 1956.
     
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    You missed the memo on why it is “legal” for them to come here. They come here legally because they subject to political persecution in their home land. You don’t get to come here for economic reasons. If you say that is the reason, you are deported. The cartels have instructed them what to say.

    As for true transsexualism, it is truly rare. But in your world, perhaps a majority of immigrants are looking to be neutered. That’s what the Democrat Party has thought us.
     
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    No, they are not.

    And you know it
     
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    prove it and give it your best shot
     
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    I don't have to prove a damn thing.

    You made a list of outrageous claims...I could make a very similar list about Trump supporters

    Groups rationally supporting Trump include

    Those who want to get rid of democracy and replace it with a dictatorship
    Those who think that the poor should just die instead of taxing the rich a bit more
    Those who think that a woman should not have control over her own body...

    Things like that, it's no different than what you did.

    Like I said, I thought we were starting to have an actual conversation in another thread...but I can see I was wasting my time trying to talk sense to you.
     
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    This^^^and take a non voting citizen to the polls, beat the POS so badly, he'll ignite.
     
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    My sincere hope is that in 2024, for the first time in decades, we will be able to vote FOR a candidate for president instead of AGAINST a candidate.

    I don't see either biden or trump in that role.
     
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    Right!!!! I have talked to so many people who realize Trump has no business in the White House, but they are not going to vote because they are disgusted with politics and want nothing to do with it. Trump followers, however, have an obsessive compulsion to please him, and will take great risks to get out and vote. A Democratic loss will have apathy and diminished values to blame. Fiddling while Rome burns or burying your head in the sand, or even playing Russian Roulette sounds stupid, but no more so than not casting your vote.
     
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    Good points. Sad that some have become so apathetic about voting and are prepared to play russian roulette with elections. There are many on this planet that would love to be able to vote and here we have a callous attitude to it. If they don't want to vote .they might as well live in a dictatorship. (and the way things look, they might just get that and it would be entirely their own fault. Those that don't vote don't deserve a democracy. Voting is part of being a responsible citizen of the nation .
     
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    you're making stuff up

    do you deny that the alphabet agenda supports Biden?
    Gun banners?
    tax hikers?
    you admit the abortion fans do
    claiming taxing the rich more will stop the poor from dying is beyond specious
     
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    Claiming that Biden supporters support violent criminals or want to balkanize the USA into warring special interest groups or those who support abortion completely is just as specious.

    When you wan to have a serious discussion you can reach out...right now you're nothing more than a partisan hack who has no interest in honest debate...just attacking that you don't like.
     
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    years ago, the late great Moderate, David Broder, noted that when the soviet union failed-the American left went from trying to make the USA into another USSR to trying to balkanize America into warring ethnic special interest groups. when Biden makes promises of appointing only a black female to the supreme court even though the number of the very best qualified jurists in that group is essentially non-existent, he is doing just what Broder warned of. Biden is all about disarming honest Americans. Criminals love that. And Biden has been bashing the GOP over the Supreme Court reversal of the flawed Roe decision for months
     
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    fake news. try again
     
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    It is a prediction for the reason I stated. I never wish for a political candidate. I just adapt to their incompetence.
     

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