Predictions: The 2024 U.S. Presidential Election.

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  1. Arkanis

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    Oh.... and who was POTUS during COVID ?
     
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    So? Trumps an idiot We both know that.
     
  3. Turtledude

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    It was Trump =let me guess, you are going to say that if Hillary had been the president, we never would have had the same issues?
     
  4. Nwolfe35

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    Remind me how many of those that "rape, maim and kill innocents" actually do so again?

    Never mind, I'll answer that..28%

    Now how many are arrested for "public order" crimes? 54%

    It's almost as if we put people in jail and then, after they've served their sentence, we don't allow them back in society. They don't rape, maim or kill...they do things like drive drunk or vandalism or breaking and entering. Things done because they have too much time on their hands, are treated like crap and can't find work.

    Now you tell me, which party believes in things like, removal of voting rights for felons...even though voting in no way puts anyone in danger?
    Which party is the one that believes someone's past crimes should follow them around for the remainder of their lives even though they have, supposedly, "paid their debt to society"?
     
  5. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Don't trust anyone who references their own skin color or gender to win favoritism with either the left or moderates.
     
  6. Arkanis

    Arkanis Well-Known Member

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    If Clinton had been president, I don't know if the crime rate would have stayed the same.

    But one thing's for sure, hundreds of thousands of Americans would still be alive.
     
  7. Nwolfe35

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    That's an impossible question to answer. What we do know is that other first world countries did not suffer as bad as the US.

    Death rates (Deaths/Million) by COVID as of 1/30/24
    Australia 930
    Austria 2,520
    France 2,599
    Spain 2,562
    Japan 602
    S. Korea 693
    Canada 1,404
    Germany 2,098
    Norway 1,054
    Finland 2,061
    Denmark 1,604

    United States 3,446

    Care to explain why we had a higher death rate?
     
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    democrats were the ones that pushed for felons who did their time to be permanently banned from owning guns. I think both parties have passed laws of disenfranchisement.
     
  9. gfm7175

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    You perfectly express the moral bankruptcy of the Democrats.

    Irrelevant.

    Except that Trump isn't a criminal.
     
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    you cannot prove that. most of the actions that were taken were taken by governors. You're just making that up and more people have died under Biden's first year in office than the one year Trump had to deal with Covid
     
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    No, what it took was a weak candidate with absolutely no progress to report, and many asinine policies to defend to use a threat to democracy as a scare tactic against the opposition.
     
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    they don't have anywhere near our borders population and ethnic diversity
     
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    .

    You will notice I didn't include gun ownership on there.

    Preventing someone who has a history of violence from owning a gun is common sense.
    What sense is there from preventing someone with a history of violence from voting?
     
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    Really, France, Germany, Denmark, Sweeden, Finland, Norway, who are all part of the European Union and require no special papers to cross borders don't have anywhere near our borders? We have two oceans separating us from the rest of the world. To our north? Canada who we share are longest border with and they had a rate of less than half ours.

    And death RATE takes into account population.

    And how the heck does "ethnic diversity" play into this? Are you suggesting that there are races more subject to death from COVID?
     
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    Trump has COPIES of documents.

    As President (head executive) during the relevant time period, he has every right to the copies of the documents that were provided to him by his subordinates. Biden and Pence, however, DIDN'T have the right to the documents that THEY had, yet that inconvenient truth continues to get ignored in favor of persecuting Trump for, once again, doing absolutely nothing illegal.

    So? He has every right to have his copies of his documents. Nothing was "stolen" from anybody.

    Because nothing that Trump has done is illegal. Taking out a loan and paying it back is not illegal. Defending oneself against false accusations made by a crazy woman is not illegal. Speaking at a rally at the Nation's Capitol is not illegal. Exercising the privileges that come with being a top executive is not illegal.
     
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    No, an open border invitation with access to all our entitlements free of charge is what drives folks to our nation. They are not even vetted to see if they want to be part of our system or want to destroy it!

    Because bi-partisan agreements always favors more illegal acceptance of immigrants (5000 a day) and unsecure borders. Reagan found that out. He gave a one time amnesty on the conditions of a secure border. Guess what? Fooled! We on the right are not playing games. All Crooked Joe has to do is repeal the executive actions he took (30 of them) when he took office that opened our borders. Just a few strokes of the pen. No additional money. We would have the most secure border ever as when Donald J. Trump was in office. Don't try to snow us!

    As you have noted, "gender dysphoria"....a rare mental disorder that needs attention, not acceptance as "normal". You seem to want acceptance and even glorification of the disorder.
    Natty, if you want to play the disorder you can tastefully dress as any gender you prefer and I guarantee no one will know the difference. When you want to make others embrace your illusion, that is where we have a problem.
     
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    Unless Trump is replaced it will be Biden easily.
     
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    I will vote for Trump regardless of whether or not a kangaroo court decides to convict a man solely because they hate him rather than him committing any sort of crime.
     
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    Absolutely irrelevant. He had no authorization to possess copies of the documents either.

    AS PRESIDENT he did. You might want to check the news but as of January 20, 2021 he was no longer President. He was a private citizen. A private citizen that lacked any authority to possess the documents.

    When I was in the Navy I had the authority to possess all kind of "Top Secret" documents. Do you think I have the authority to possess any now?

    You keep ignoring what makes it a crime.

    Trump refused to return the documents. The crime is "Willful RETENTION of documents relating to the national defence"


    No one is claiming that they were "stolen"...again the crime is "Willful RETENTION of documents relating to the national defense"


    WILFULL RETENTION OF DOCUMENTS RELATING TO THE NATIONAL DEFENSE is a violation of 18 USC 793(e) is a crime no matter how much you don't want it to be.
     
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    Allow me to answer.....the party that believes in the rule of law and equal justice under the law. The same law that believes victims have rights too. The GOP.
     
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    Trump had the documents
    Trump was not authorized to have the documents
    Trump refused to return the documents

    Please explain how that is a "kangaroo court"?
     
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    And how did anything I say have anything to do with denying the victims any rights?
     
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    Quite the vivid dream there. :)
     
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    Anything that is "illegal" for a Republican to do is perfectly legal for a Democrat to do.

    That's the Democrat way.
     
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    It WAS legal.
     

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