Pro-life policies work.

Yes i'll definitely agree that more education and affordable contraception for people are much better and sane alternatives than making it illegal or charging people with murder or something.

 

comprehension failure again I see.

tell me Sam are ALL contraception free?

 

Great now all we have to do is convince those predominately religious people as well, you know the ones who stop comprehensive sex education in six of the top ten states with the highest teenage pregnancies and births.

(I won;t be holding my breath on that one lol )

 

Contraception is already widely available, yet unwanted pregnancies are very common.

 

Again that is not the assertion made or the question asked.

The assertion made was - " ensure there is comprehensive mandated sex education in schools and that all types of contraception are affordable (or free) to even the poorest person."

Your response - "Contraception is already free. "

My response - "tell me Sam are ALL contraception free? "

and then your response quoted above.

So Sam what what the (*)(*)(*)(*) has "Contraception is already widely available, yet unwanted pregnancies are very common. " got to do with ALL contraception being free and your assertion that it is already free?

Are you incapable of staying on topic?

 

I don't think that comprehensive sex ed would reduce abortion rates, since contraception is already widely available.

 

and again I don't care what you think, the proof is already there to show comprehensive sex education DOES reduce unintended pregnancies and therefore abortion rates.

and again what has contraception being widely available have to do with your assertion that ALL contraception is free, why do you consistently try to avoid answering questions about your own assertions?

do you now admit that not ALL contraceptives are free, if so we can move on to the problems with the ones that are free.

 

Why does it matter which forms of contraception are free?

 

Well, you seem like such an authority on contraception surely you can tell us?????

 

I never said I was an authority on anything.

 

LOL! Another side step.... can ya do the cha cha, too?

Now try to pay attention, I NEVER said you were an authority, I clearly stated in the post YOU quoted " you SEEM like such an authority"".....


Can you get back to the topic or do want to dance and flip flop some more (and when you say you don't dance or flip flop I'll ignore it)

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Why can't YOU state what contraceptives are free?

 

Because I don't know.

 

Then maybe you shouldn't have posted :

""" Originally Posted by The Amazing Sam's Ego
Contraception is already free."""

 

I don't know Sam, you are the one with the misconception that ALL contraceptives are free ... not me.

It matters in the context of which contraceptives are the most reliable and the least prone to human error .. guess what THOSE contraceptives are not free.

 

(with some reliable unbiased sources)

What are the failure rates of those contraceptives?

If they have even a medium failure rate, the increased usage of those contraceptives would definitley result in increased unwanted pregnancies and abortions. If they have a very small failure rate, than the increased unwanted pregnancy/abortion resulted from those contraceptives increased usage, would be very small in comparison to the reduction of unwanted pregnancies caused by their increased usage.

 

"The IUD is the most inexpensive long-term and reversible form of birth control you can get. Unlike other forms of birth control, the IUD only costs money in the beginning. The cost for the medical exam, the IUD, the insertion of the IUD and follow-up visits to your health care provider can range from $500 to $900. That cost pays for protection that can last more than a decade." - http://plannedparenthood.tumblr.com/post/28521852221/how-much-does-an-iud-cost

Birth Control Implant - "The cost of the exam, the implant, and insertion ranges from $400–$800. Removal costs between $100 and $300. The total cost pays for pregnancy protection that can last for three years."

A whole lot less than condoms and the pill, as both of those are prone to human error, ie not being used correctly or a pill not taken, the IUD and BC implant are both "used and forgotten" contraceptives, they don't rely on the person using them correctly.

Failure rates are measured in two ways the "typical-use" and "perfect-use" rates.

A Condom has a typical-use failure rate of 15% and a perfect-use failure rate of 2%
The pill (Combined oral contraceptive pill) has a typical-use failure rate of 9% and a perfect-use failure rate of 0.3%
An IUD with progestogen has a typical-use failure rate of 0.2% and a perfect-use failure rate of 0.2%
An IUD with copper has a typical-use failure rate of 0.8% and a perfect-use failure rate of 0.6%

The percentage is the chance of pregnancy during the first year of use.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_birth_control_methods

That comes over as gobbledgook.

 

Just as a little bit of light reading for you, and further evidence to show that contraceptives such as the IUD and Implant do, in fact reduce unintended pregnancies and therefore abortions;

I've seen studies published about falling abortion rates in Eastern Europe since the fall of the USSR and I've seen the responses from pro-lifers stating that those studies don't count as the countries involved already had abnormally high abortion rates . .which to be honest doesn't make the slightest bit of sense to me it strikes me as being a pathetic attempt to maintain the credence of an already failed argument .. but anyway, I'll stick to a small study conducted in the St. Louis area the results of which were published on Oct 4th 2012;

In a study published today (Oct. 4) in the journal Obstetrics and Gynecology, researchers provided free methods of reversible, reliable contraception to more than 9,000 teens and women in the St. Louis area. They found that the program reduced the abortion rate among these women by 62 percent to 78 percent.

"The impact of providing no-cost birth control was far greater than we expected in terms of unintended pregnancies," lead author Jeff Peipert, a professor of obstetrics and gynecology at the Washington University School of Medicine, said in a statement. "We think improving access to birth control, particularly IUDs [intrauterine devices] and [hormone] implants, coupled with education on the most effective methods, has the potential to significantly decrease the number of unintended pregnancies and abortions in this country."

The findings have implications for public policy, especially given that President Obama's health-care plan requires employers to offer plans that include birth control coverage. This requirement has been a point of controversy in the lead-up to the 2012 election.

Between 2006 and 2008, 49 percent of all pregnancies in America were unplanned, according to the CDC's National Survey of Family Growth. About 43 percent of these unintended pregnancies ended in abortion. Meanwhile, a 2011 study in the journal Contraception estimated that unintended births cost U.S. taxpayers about $11 billion a year.

To see if access to free contraception could budge those numbers, Peipert and his colleagues recruited 9,256 women ages 14 to 45 living in the St. Louis area through flyers, doctors and word-of-mouth. They also recruited patients from the city's two abortion clinics. Participants were given the option of using any reversible birth control method, from the birth control pill to a hormonal birth control patch to a long-lasting IUD or hormonal implant.

More than half of the women chose IUDs, 17 percent picked hormonal implants (tiny rods placed under the skin that release hormones), and the rest chose pills, patches and other hormonal methods. As a result, the researchers found, both teen births and overall abortion rates plummeted.

Among women in the free contraceptive program, the teen birth rate was 6.3 per 1,000 women, a huge difference from the national teen birth rate of 34.3 per 1,000 women.

Likewise, the abortion rate among women in the program was 4.4 to 7.5 per 1,000 between 2008 and 2010. Nationally, there are 19.6 abortions per every thousand women, a 62 percent to 78 percent difference. In the St. Louis area, the overall abortion rate in that time frame was between 13.4 and 17 abortions per 1,000 women.

The study highlights the importance of long-acting contraception methods such as the IUD, researchers said. Birth control pills have a higher failure rate than these methods, because women have to remember to take a pill at the same time every day. But IUDs, which last about 10 years, can cost more than $800, the researchers said, putting them out of reach for many lower-income women who may not be able to come up with that kind of money in one lump sum.

"Unintended pregnancy remains a major health problem in the United States, with higher proportions among teenagers and women with less education and lower economic status," Peipert said. "The results of this study demonstrate that we can reduce the rate of unintended pregnancy and this is key to reducing abortions in this country." - http://www.livescience.com/23726-birth-control-abortion-rate.html

If even this small study can show a marked decrease in unintended pregnancies and abortions, just imagine what a country-wide incentive could achieve. If the figures on a country wide scale remained at the levels of this study (and I am not saying they would), the USA unintended pregnancies would fall from 3.4 million to 1.29 million and abortions from 1.2 Million to 264,000 .. how can anyone in their right mind object to free contraception?

 

What pro lifers say is partially true. Some forms of contraception have a high failure rate and increase unwanted pregnancies, but other forms of contraception have a very low failure rate, which don't increase unwanted pregnancies.

So, what are some ways of figuring out if what pro life sites say are partially untrue?

 

Easy, they're Pro-life sites....

 

high failure rate through incorrect usage. Pro-lifers use the typical-usage failure as a hammer. My question is this, why do pro-lifers stand against contraceptives that have a very low typical-usage failure being supplied free? It, would after all reduce the very thing they stand against - abortion.

Pro-life sites have an agenda to fulfill, the truth is immaterial to them.

 

What's their agenda?

I am an open minded person. I really don't follow of care about "agendas".

 

Oh please, you think women who have abortions are evil , want to control them and want abortion banned and you think you're "open minded"


You repeat the same mantra over and over again even after being proven wrong numerous times and you DON'T have an agenda???


Do you know the meaning of those words?????

 

I don't want to control women.

 

You repeat the same mantra over and over again even after being proven wrong numerous times and you DON'T have an agenda???

 

Define "agenda".